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re: Mac trigger warning - His Pels Players Trade Values
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:45 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:45 pm to 50_Tiger
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Yall really do put Herb on a pedestal he has not earned
Same thing some are doing with Trey. At least Herb has proven himself as a starter. Trey disappeared a lot this season when we needed scoring, but people just love scoring potential.
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:48 pm to ghost2most
Zions a little higher than 92 
probably 95 if Wemby is 100…
probably 95 if Wemby is 100…This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 7:58 pm to Jester
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Same thing some are doing with Trey. At least Herb has proven himself as a starter. Trey disappeared a lot this season when we needed scoring, but people just love scoring potential.
I put Treys value higher right now but it’s closer than what Shel thinks. I think Mac isn’t far off in his assessment. Once he signs that extension and starts, he better take a significant leap or I think Herb surpasses his value based on his contract.
Look no further than the playoff series. He was a ghost. Herb scored more than him in 3/4 games. Not saying much as a player if you that dependent on Zion….
Herbs game will always be there regardless of who’s in the lineup.,
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:07 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Klay was probably more dependent on Steph and Draymond than Trey is on anyone on our team... I've never seen anyone saying that says a lot about Klay.
Not saying much as a player if you that dependent on Zion….
Lauri is even more dependent on others setting him on offense, same thing, I don't see anyone mentioning that about Lauri.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:52 pm to shel311
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Klay was probably more dependent on Steph and Draymond than Trey is on anyone on our team
Idk man, a lot of treys made 3s came from Zion passes
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:04 pm to whatiknowsofar
Trey valued too high or Herb too low.
IF you had to draft and both players were available, who would you take?
Overall Macs not that far off though. Crazy that he would use Wembly as the measuring stick.
IF you had to draft and both players were available, who would you take?
Overall Macs not that far off though. Crazy that he would use Wembly as the measuring stick.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:32 am to shel311
So what happened in the playoffs?
And Lauri has way more offensive game than Trey. Come on now.
And Lauri has way more offensive game than Trey. Come on now.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 1:37 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 1:34 am to FMtTXtiger
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Overall Macs not that far off though. Crazy that he would use Wembly as the measuring stick.
Is he though? 1st team all defense as a rookie on a rookie contract for years that will only get stronger and better.
If I’m picking anyone to start a team with on their current contract, he’s the person I’m taking.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 1:35 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:58 am to shel311
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Lauri is even more dependent on others setting him on offense, same thing, I don't see anyone mentioning that about Lauri.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:25 am to 50_Tiger
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Yall really do put Herb on a pedestal he has not earned
If any Pel has earned anything, it’s Herb. If Murphy had Herb’s progression and improvement he’d be a top 30 guy in the league. People forgot Murphy wasn’t good for like 40% of the season last year
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:43 am to shel311
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Trey has more trade value than Herb, and I don't think it's terribly close.
I guess I don't see how Trey has a lot more value than Herb, but Dyson is also valued over Hawkins. Aren't they kinda similar comparisons, just to a lesser degree?
IMO, Hawk>Dyson in value.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:56 am to Epic Cajun
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Dyson is also valued over Hawkins. Aren't they kinda similar comparisons, just to a lesser degree?
Hawk had a 30pt game and played really well at times. He also was a liability on defense.
Hawk has the ability to be an elite offensive scorer. Because of his size his defense may only get so much better, but right now any improvement would be helpful.
Dyson needs to improve his offense which is way easier than defense once he bulks up and the game slows down.
Dyson already is borderline elite defender and he just turned 21 y/o.
Its not even an argument who has more value.
If CJ cost a little more or had a bigger decline last year then Dyson's value would be closer to his.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:58 am to Dantheman504
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Hawk had a 30pt game and played really well at times. He also was a liability on defense.
Hawk has the ability to be an elite offensive scorer. Because of his size his defense may only get so much better, but right now any improvement would be helpful.
Dyson needs to improve his offense which is way easier than defense once he bulks up and the game slows down.
Dyson already is borderline elite defender and he just turned 21 y/o.
Its not even an argument who has more value.
Hawk has an elite skill but is a liability on the other end of the court, the same can be said for Dyson. But, Dyson is also a year ahead of Hawk in terms of NBA development, which also means he's a year closer to his next contract. I don't think the separation is that far, and if they were both available with what we know about them I think it's a toss up.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:00 am to Dantheman504
Everyone seems completely happy with Herb's progression the last (3) years from 23-25 y/o
If you look at Dyson's stats his first (2) years they are somewhat comparable considering Herb averaged an extra 10min a game.
Now think about this... Dyson has (2) More full NBA seasons before he would show the same stat lines as Herb from 23-25 y/o.
We have 2 more years of Dyson progression before he = rookie Herb stats.
He will surpass that. There's a reason Herb was a 2nd rd and Dyson was a lottery pick. They are similar players but one is 4.5 years younger
If you look at Dyson's stats his first (2) years they are somewhat comparable considering Herb averaged an extra 10min a game.
Now think about this... Dyson has (2) More full NBA seasons before he would show the same stat lines as Herb from 23-25 y/o.
We have 2 more years of Dyson progression before he = rookie Herb stats.
He will surpass that. There's a reason Herb was a 2nd rd and Dyson was a lottery pick. They are similar players but one is 4.5 years younger
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:01 am to Epic Cajun
Dyson has demonstrated elite level defense since day 1. Jordan Hawkins shot just 36.6% from 3, the skill he's supposed to be good at. If you actually watch the games, Hawkins displayed an elite release and fearlessness, so you can see the potential, but just based on actual production Dyson has shown a lot more than Hawk so far.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:05 am to Epic Cajun
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Dyson is also a year ahead of Hawk in terms of NBA development,
He's also a year younger than Hawk.
I swear y'all don't like the dude because y'all are impatient as frick. We could bring on a 15 y/o for $10,000 to play against NBA talent for 10 years and y'all would cry to trade him at 17 y/o because he isn't playing like a 26 y/o.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:10 am to Dantheman504
And people have short term memory because they clearly don't remember Dyson locking up Lebron + Doncic + holding his own at center
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 8:12 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:17 am to TigerinATL
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Dyson has demonstrated elite level defense since day 1. Jordan Hawkins shot just 36.6% from 3, the skill he's supposed to be good at. If you actually watch the games, Hawkins displayed an elite release and fearlessness, so you can see the potential, but just based on actual production Dyson has shown a lot more than Hawk so far.
C'mon you know that you can't judge a player's shooting based solely on their 3pt%. If you did that you'd think that Herb is a better shooter than Steph. The difficulty of shots made/taken from Hawk, as well as his movement/gravity make him an elite shooter.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:23 am to Epic Cajun
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C'mon you know that you can't judge a player's shooting based solely on their 3pt%. If you did that you'd think that Herb is a better shooter than Steph. The difficulty of shots made/taken from Hawk, as well as his movement/gravity make him an elite shooter.
No. They make him have the potential to be an elite shooter. That's like saying Trey is an "elite shooter". He has his games where he is but can he do it consistently? We can't even 100% say that for Trey yet so you can't say that for Hawk.
Now on the other end, can we say Herb is an elite defender? Yes.
Can we say Dyson is borderline elite defender while 4+ years younger? Yes we can.
There's no argument on "consistency" there. Dyson and Herb will continue to be consistent elite defenders. They already have a floor and as their offense develops it will get higher.
Hawk/ Trey ceiling is based on their efficiency and defense.
And again Trey has a major "elite" advantage on both ends because of size. Hawk very well could struggle on defense for alot of his career.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:26 am to Dantheman504
At this point you have (1) guy who needs to work on offense and (1) guy that needs to work on defense.
It comes down to 1 question:
Is Hawk closer to being elite on offense
Or
Is Dyson closer to being elite on defense
It comes down to 1 question:
Is Hawk closer to being elite on offense
Or
Is Dyson closer to being elite on defense
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 8:28 am
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