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Lowe commentary about the Pels….
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:01 am
Nothing revolutionary, but he touches on what has been discussed here.
7. The New Orleans Pelicans melting down in crunch time
On the other end of those two stirring Memphis comebacks: the Pelicans, now 6-8 in games in which the score was within five points in the final five minutes, with the third-worst offensive rating in those games.
The Pels are 7-of-25 from deep in clutch situations. They have 24 turnovers in 55 clutch minutes, including some inexplicable gaffes -- botched inbounds passes, fumbled handoffs, dropped balls.
But it's the overall stagnation that stands out amid New Orleans' crunch-time impotence. They wait too long to get into any action, and too many of their key players spend the full shot clock standing around.
Zion Williamson and Jonas Valanciunas do nothing the entire possession. CJ McCollum does nothing between his token entry pass and serving as a one-on-one bailout.
This is a collision of bad shooting luck and lack of reps, compatibility and perhaps even trust -- or at least a clear conception of the hierarchy on offense. In the scheme of things, Williamson, Ingram and McCollum have not played much together. Their skill sets are not so naturally compatible -- at least not within this roster -- so building chemistry will take time.
That process gets harder if three of the crunch-time five are non-threats from deep, as when Williamson, Valanciunas and Herbert Jones play together.
One note on that stalled possession: Trey Murphy III was on the floor over Jones. Earlier in that fourth quarter, New Orleans used Murphy in a super-sized lineup without a traditional guard -- Murphy, Ingram, Jones, Williamson and Valanciunas. Murphy played the entire overtime. He played most of the 4th quarter in New Orleans' clutch win over the Utah Jazz Thursday night.
The early results are scattershot, but it is healthy for coach Willie Green to try more lineups with Murphy over one (current) starter. He just has to play more. He brings too much of what the team needs on both ends.
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7. The New Orleans Pelicans melting down in crunch time
On the other end of those two stirring Memphis comebacks: the Pelicans, now 6-8 in games in which the score was within five points in the final five minutes, with the third-worst offensive rating in those games.
The Pels are 7-of-25 from deep in clutch situations. They have 24 turnovers in 55 clutch minutes, including some inexplicable gaffes -- botched inbounds passes, fumbled handoffs, dropped balls.
But it's the overall stagnation that stands out amid New Orleans' crunch-time impotence. They wait too long to get into any action, and too many of their key players spend the full shot clock standing around.
Zion Williamson and Jonas Valanciunas do nothing the entire possession. CJ McCollum does nothing between his token entry pass and serving as a one-on-one bailout.
This is a collision of bad shooting luck and lack of reps, compatibility and perhaps even trust -- or at least a clear conception of the hierarchy on offense. In the scheme of things, Williamson, Ingram and McCollum have not played much together. Their skill sets are not so naturally compatible -- at least not within this roster -- so building chemistry will take time.
That process gets harder if three of the crunch-time five are non-threats from deep, as when Williamson, Valanciunas and Herbert Jones play together.
One note on that stalled possession: Trey Murphy III was on the floor over Jones. Earlier in that fourth quarter, New Orleans used Murphy in a super-sized lineup without a traditional guard -- Murphy, Ingram, Jones, Williamson and Valanciunas. Murphy played the entire overtime. He played most of the 4th quarter in New Orleans' clutch win over the Utah Jazz Thursday night.
The early results are scattershot, but it is healthy for coach Willie Green to try more lineups with Murphy over one (current) starter. He just has to play more. He brings too much of what the team needs on both ends.
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This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 11:02 am
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Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:14 am to elveaux
quote:Someone send this to Willie!
But it's the overall stagnation that stands out amid New Orleans' crunch-time impotence. They wait too long to get into any action, and too many of their key players spend the full shot clock standing around.
Or did Willie see it, and that's why he made changes last night?
It's just so weird that every single person can see this and have a good idea of how to change things except for the 1 guy in charge of changing it.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 11:53 am to elveaux
I hate that it always comes down to Murphy vs Jones over who should play. I like them playing together. They just compliment each other so well. Of course that puts at least one of our big 3 on the bench..
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:19 pm to brmark70816
Or it puts Jonas or Nance on the bench and we just go small
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:22 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Or it puts Jonas or Nance on the bench and we just go small
Would probably work if Zion wasn't such a putrid rebounder
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:23 pm to jmcwhrter
The way hes rebounding now isn’t putrid. Back to back double digit rebounds.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:48 pm to elveaux
All of that indicates an issue with coaching and not players.
Also if we could swap BI out for someone like Lauri and move Trey into BI spot it would be interesting.
I would be real interested in seeing a lineup like
CJ
Herb
Trey
Zion
Lauri
I like BI a bunch, but he is about to need a gigantic contract. BI and Zion also need the ball more in their hands. We really only need one truly alpha iso guy and then the next guys can be a little bit weaker iso players.
While Zion and BI are not Lebron and DWade. This is kind of a similar issue where two guys can not be the primary ball handler at the same time. The other player playing off ball reduces their effectiveness.
Also if we could swap BI out for someone like Lauri and move Trey into BI spot it would be interesting.
I would be real interested in seeing a lineup like
CJ
Herb
Trey
Zion
Lauri
I like BI a bunch, but he is about to need a gigantic contract. BI and Zion also need the ball more in their hands. We really only need one truly alpha iso guy and then the next guys can be a little bit weaker iso players.
While Zion and BI are not Lebron and DWade. This is kind of a similar issue where two guys can not be the primary ball handler at the same time. The other player playing off ball reduces their effectiveness.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 12:54 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Or it puts Jonas or Nance on the bench and we just go small
I think that the question is whether Larry can now be a league-average 3-pt shooter.
AD suggested last night that Larry spent a lot of time working on his 3-pt shot while he was out.
If so, that will make Larry a much more viable option to help close out games and crunch time.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
Also if we could swap BI out for someone like Lauri and move Trey into BI spot it would be interesting.
You want Markkanen playing Center?
Has he ever played Center full-time?
The Jazz are playing him almost on the wing or as a stretch 4. They started Collins and Kessler along with him last night. He can shoot and has size. But he's not a banger..
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Definitely
I think that the question is whether Larry can now be a league-average 3-pt shooter.
AD suggested last night that Larry spent a lot of time working on his 3-pt shot while he was out.
If so, that will make Larry a much more viable option to help close out games and crunch time.
I'd just settle for a healthy Larry at this point.
I still think that dunk had more bounce from him than we've seen since last calendar year, so hopefully he is actually healthier than he's been in a long time.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:24 pm to shel311
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still think that dunk had more bounce from him than we've seen since last calendar year
100% true. He was barely getting to the rim this season before the shut down with his ribs.
Call him Larry Legs now with my friends.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 1:33 pm to elveaux
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Zion Williamson and Jonas Valanciunas do nothing the entire possession. CJ McCollum does nothing between his token entry pass and serving as a one-on-one bailout.
Unfortunately this is absolutely the case. The lack of movement is hard to believe. Then you get people on here acting like BI is reverting to “iso ball” during those times . Exactly who is he supposed to throw it to? He gets the ball and everyone stands still. Willie has Zion in the freaking corner watching, which is coaching malpractice. It’s hard to understand how this had to happen more than once for Willie to adjust.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:14 pm to shel311
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I still think that dunk had more bounce from him than we've seen since last calendar year, so hopefully he is actually healthier than he's been in a long time.
Yeah he definitely it definitely looked like he had some old bounce on the dunk. When he yammed that on Kessler I was pretty hype.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:22 pm to LSUgrad88
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Willie has Zion in the freaking corner watching, which is coaching malpractice. It’s hard to understand how this had to happen more than once for Willie to adjust.
Yeah this is maddening to watch. Zion immediately draws double and triple teams and he’s standing at the short corner three point line where he is absolutely 0 threat to shoot it. I did love the Zion/BI PnR last night. That needs to be our end of game set during close games.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:33 pm to pleading the fifth
Zion's gravity should be used on every possession he's in. He doesn't have perimeter gravity, so run his arse across the lane every time even if he's not going to get the ball and watch the defenders move.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:36 pm to TigerinATL
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Zion's gravity should be used on every possession he's in. He doesn't have perimeter gravity, so run his arse across the lane every time even if he's not going to get the ball
You would think this would be so obvious; yet in numerous late game situations he stands in the corner (and to make it even worse it’s Zion standing in the corner rather than Trey) and everyone stands around and watches Ingram have nowhere to go and no one to pass it to. Its just unconscionably bad coaching.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:42 pm to LSUgrad88
Those CJ layups were the perfect illustration of Zion's gravity. He kept CJ clean going down the lane just by rolling down the other side of the lane. Zion's man could not help and CJ got several fairly uncontested layups because of it.
I know we have no clue about what's going on behind the scenes, but it feels like Borrego is trying not to overstep and Willie doesn't realize how badly he's mismanaging the half court offense. Either that or the players are dumber than dirt and never do what they're told. None of the potential explanations really make sense, but neither does the half court offense.
I know we have no clue about what's going on behind the scenes, but it feels like Borrego is trying not to overstep and Willie doesn't realize how badly he's mismanaging the half court offense. Either that or the players are dumber than dirt and never do what they're told. None of the potential explanations really make sense, but neither does the half court offense.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:43 pm to LSUgrad88
I hope one day we can get some kind of explanation on why they do this. I just want to understand the logic.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:46 pm to shel311
quote:
But it's the overall stagnation that stands out amid New Orleans' crunch-time impotence. They wait too long to get into any action, and too many of their key players spend the full shot clock standing around.
When this shite starts the pels start to lose their lead, every fricking time. When the ball is moving we have enough weapons from 1-8 to score on anyone. This one on one shite, dribbling for 15 seconds doesn't win any games.
Posted on 12/29/23 at 2:46 pm to brmark70816
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You want Markkanen playing Center? Has he ever played Center full-time? The Jazz are playing him almost on the wing or as a stretch 4. They started Collins and Kessler along with him last night. He can shoot and has size. But he's not a banger..
I was thinking Lauri to be more like a stretch 4 and we primarily play small ball. He shoots like 8 three point shots a game at an elite percentage. We could still bring a big off the bench and let Lauri play with a guy like JV. Lauri doesn’t have to have the ball. Also we may still suck on defense, but he would still add some size.
BI and Zion can’t both have the ball.
Could you imagine having CJ, Trey, and Lauri spreading the floor for Zion? All three of those guys are capable of taking it off the dribble to if someone does try to overly close out on them.
Those three shooters are shooting 9.2/22.7 @ 40.5%
At some point you need to make a move. Maybe BI would not be of value to the Utah Jazz though.
This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 5:19 pm
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