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re: Latest trade rumors
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:36 am to Bronc
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:36 am to Bronc
but the problem with adding someone like Garland to BI and Zion, is the glaring defensive problems you would have. I like JV a lot, but he needs better perimeter defenders around him b/c of his lack of lateral quickness on the perimeter (which is expected for someone that big) on top of his slow recovery speed. Really what we need to improve on is our defensive strategy as a whole, and then building a team around that strategy. You can have some weak defenders on the court if you have a good team strategy.
I've been looking for the prime PG for us. Everyone always points to Brogdon, but his injury issues bother me. He's missed almost 30% of his games over the last 4 years. He always seems to get hurt for about 20 games every year. VanVleet has been no different the last 2 years missing about 20 games each year.
Both of those guys are ideal candidates to me from an on the court production perspective.
I think Fultz is a guy that we should take a risk on. Sucks that he had another injury setback, but with how Cole Anthony is playing, Orlando would probably be open to moving Fultz.
I don't know if you can trade for injured players, but i'd explore a Sato/NAW for Ross/Fultz trade right now if we don't have any other big trades lined up.
I've been looking for the prime PG for us. Everyone always points to Brogdon, but his injury issues bother me. He's missed almost 30% of his games over the last 4 years. He always seems to get hurt for about 20 games every year. VanVleet has been no different the last 2 years missing about 20 games each year.
Both of those guys are ideal candidates to me from an on the court production perspective.
I think Fultz is a guy that we should take a risk on. Sucks that he had another injury setback, but with how Cole Anthony is playing, Orlando would probably be open to moving Fultz.
I don't know if you can trade for injured players, but i'd explore a Sato/NAW for Ross/Fultz trade right now if we don't have any other big trades lined up.
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Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:37 am to Bronc
Well, you’re right, but, I think you also have to take into account the insane pace of games AND difficulty they’ve gone through this first part of the season.
New coach. With your best player out, 2nd best player missed time and took a few games to get back into a groove. All these rookies you’re trying to just develop are all of a sudden starting. Satoransky and Temple are getting meaningful time.
I just think it’s much easier to say what they should be. They barely know yet themselves.
New coach. With your best player out, 2nd best player missed time and took a few games to get back into a groove. All these rookies you’re trying to just develop are all of a sudden starting. Satoransky and Temple are getting meaningful time.
I just think it’s much easier to say what they should be. They barely know yet themselves.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:46 am to TeddyPadillac
Honestly, fultz worries me with his injury history.
We need 2 things: a power forward who's a defensive oriented guy. That would fix some woes of Jonas.
A lead guard who can help facilitate in the half court and knock down an open 3 at an average clip at least.
We need 2 things: a power forward who's a defensive oriented guy. That would fix some woes of Jonas.
A lead guard who can help facilitate in the half court and knock down an open 3 at an average clip at least.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:47 am to TeddyPadillac
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his injury issues bother me. He's missed almost 30% of his games over the last 4 years.
This is certainly not a team that needs more injury risks.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:50 am to TeddyPadillac
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but the problem with adding someone like Garland to BI and Zion, is the glaring defensive problems you would have
Start Herb(or keep Lonzo), trade for Turner.
It's a pretty easy trio to build around IMO(Also, Garland, like Graham, isn't as bad a defender as you might think based on size and rep).
Not least of all is that it is typically easier and cheaper to acquire elite defensive talent than elite offensive talent.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:52 am to Bronc
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We are 27th in offense and 28th in 3 points made,
Both a huge function of no Zion. He's literally the fulcrum around how our team is built.
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the collective make up of this team, and our best player, makes it basically the worst top 30 player pairing I can think of for Simmons or Zion
I said I wasn't a huge fan, just trying to sell it.
We have to get talent and we're likely not going to get the perfect compliments to Zion unless we overpay and they're old as hell.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you could trade BI and get back Jerami Grant and VanVleet, does that make us a better team around Zion
In the short term, possibly. Grant and FVV are old dude.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think Fultz is a guy that we should take a risk on.
I don't hate this idea tbh, but he is out for the season with an ACL injury, so it's more like a move maybe you consider next trade period if things arent sorted out another way
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Both a huge function of no Zion. He's literally the fulcrum around how our team is built.
He's not going to magically turn NAW/Temple/Hart/Sato into dead eye shooters.
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We have to get talent and we're likely not going to get the perfect compliments to Zion unless we overpay and they're old as hell.
Dont disagree, but if we are talking reality, reality would be that the only Simmons path for us would be through sending out BI, and that doesn't really do much more than swap one talent with less than optimal fit for another. And I think, personally, the BI/Zion has a higher ceiling and BI will have the better career.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Old?
In the short term, possibly. Grant and FVV are old dude.
They're 27.
Other than your generational star, I'm not sure it's ever good to make decisions on dudes based on what may happen with them 5-6 years out in advance.
I'm not saying we should do that hypothetical deal, I'm just saying I don't think we should turn down 27 year old players under the guise of them being "too old"
Though based purely on the question, I do think that's a great question and we could potentially improve as a team.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:22 am to Soggymoss
I wonder if Sabonis would enjoy having a teammate that he can speak to in Lithuanian.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:27 am to shel311
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Though based purely on the question, I do think that's a great question and we could potentially improve as a team.
I do too, in a vacuum.
But to me, why would the more wise path not simply be to chalk this season up as a lost season, which it is, focus on development, grab a player like Ivey/Banchero/Smith/Holmgren, regroup, than make those sorts of major core rearranging moves?
Unless you feel someone on this trade market is a final piece to putting together a championship caliber core, it makes little sense to be major buyers this trade season.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:32 am to Bronc
If Zion doesn't play this season, and if we finish out of the play-in, then I really don't know how the Pelicans will sell any season tickets for next season.
Tanking can be a successful strategy in some markets, but it's a financially difficult thing for small markets. That's why Indiana has been happy with just "making the playoffs" for so many seasons.
Tanking can be a successful strategy in some markets, but it's a financially difficult thing for small markets. That's why Indiana has been happy with just "making the playoffs" for so many seasons.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:35 am to Bronc
quote:It's a slippery slope.
But to me, why would the more wise path not simply be to chalk this season up as a lost season, which it is, focus on development, grab a player like Ivey/Banchero/Smith/Holmgren, regroup, than make those sorts of major core rearranging moves?
The team is playing well, all things considered, and only 3 games back of the play in spot. I certainly get the argument and without context, absolutely agree the best thing is to try and get a top 5 pick.
But losing, especially what is essentially on purpose, takes a toll on a team, and dudes start to get unhappy. That can't go overlooked. I'm guessing many dudes wouldn't be happy with sacrificing not just this season but the next couple of seasons as well as rookies aren' generally going to come in and make that big of an impact any way. If you have 2-3 years on a contract, I can easily see why that would make a player become disgruntled.
THe flip side, to make the play in after that awful start and if we do so mostly without Zion, I think that is a great sign that we have a team that can stay afloat and play something along the lines of .500 ball for an extended period of time without its best player.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:55 am to shel311
I dont think you try to lose, as is, I think this is a below .500 team and don't expect perfect health.
So my only real contention is making moves to chase marginal improvement and set play-in as the organizational goal. I.E. being buyers when we should be either neutral, or sellers.
And whether Ivey or Holmgren are year one impact players, and they very well could be, or not, it's still simply the more worthwhile path forward for building the best possible pool of assets and having the best chance at producing a contender level team.
So my only real contention is making moves to chase marginal improvement and set play-in as the organizational goal. I.E. being buyers when we should be either neutral, or sellers.
And whether Ivey or Holmgren are year one impact players, and they very well could be, or not, it's still simply the more worthwhile path forward for building the best possible pool of assets and having the best chance at producing a contender level team.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:11 pm to Bronc
quote:I definitely agree that no matter what moves we make, i hope even if we buy, it's for dudes with multi-year deals, and we aren't giving up assets for a quick rental that we have no real shot of resigning.
So my only real contention is making moves to chase marginal improvement and set play-in as the organizational goal. I.E. being buyers when we should be either neutral, or sellers.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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VanVleet has been no different the last 2 years missing about 20 games each year.
Both of those guys are ideal candidates to me from an on the court production perspective.
Van vleet is the guy we have been needing. Always have been a huge van vleet fan.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 12:11 pm to shel311
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giving up assets for a quick rental that we have no real shot of resigning.
seems negative.
maybe he likes the situation. suppose pels make playoffs. after all they are only down 3 games out of 10th.
mystery pg would be celebrated if pels make playoffs.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 2:39 pm to shel311
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I definitely agree that no matter what moves we make, i hope even if we buy, it's for dudes with multi-year deals, and we aren't giving up assets for a quick rental that we have no real shot of resigning.
Remember on top of future assets we’d be giving up to get said player, we’d also be giving up this years first if it pushed us to the 8 seed on top of everything we give up.
That’s a lot to give up just to go out in the first round and probably not worth it
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