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Posted on 12/16/21 at 6:47 am to GOP_Tiger
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Val is not a high percentage 3pt guy.
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant percentage of attempts. Not make percentage.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:13 am to 504Voodoo
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Val is not a high percentage 3pt guy. Teams would just leave Val out there and pack their center in the paint.
He is definitely high percentage, the problem is volume and consistency.
Since his big night he's 23% and 3-13.
He doesnt take a ton so thats why I think defenses don't fully respect it like a KAT or Lopez.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:16 am to TigerinATL
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Can't wait for the NAW/Hart/Herb/Zion/Simmons lineup. Herb might be the best shooter there.
If we make that trade, or any low ceiling win now trade, I'm probably out on this team until Griff is gone and buried.
I've been a fan and probably seen 95% of games going back to when the team came here, but Griff needs to be stopped. I'm not usually for firing someone mid season, but the moral hazard is just too great.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:23 am to Jester
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Simmons is really redundant with Point Zion.
We need the defense and Simmons would be more of the fast break facilitator and Point Zion with the ball in the half court
Simmons and Zion in the pnr could also be creative. If Zion is the primary, Simmons could act as a secondary facilitator if he doesn't get to drive. Like the basketball art the Spurs had v. the Heat in that one finals. Also, Simmons being primary with Zion rolling could be unstoppable given Zion's ability at the rim.
I'm not a huge fan of Simmons (as he currently exists) on the team but it could create some positionless fun. We also really need his defense. Pairing Simmons/Jones to anchor the defense opens up offensive lineups. Zion/BI/JV are enough offense as a trio.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
We are 27th in offense and 28th in 3 points made, whatever benefit you can come up with for adding Simmons defensively and in one situation, the collective make up of this team, and our best player, makes it basically the worst top 30 player pairing I can think of for Simmons or Zion
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:51 am to Bronc
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He is definitely high percentage, the problem is volume and consistency.
Yeah that's what I was trying to say. I believe prior to this season he was averaging 1.3 attempts per game. As much as we want to believe it can happen, Jonas isn't a floor spacer and that's ok. His value is a bruiser in the paint.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:02 am to 504Voodoo
To his credit he's slightly quickened his release and I think if Zion were here he would be closer to averaging 4-5 attempts per game due to the attention he gets defensively.
As is the night to night defensive gameplan for every team is to double or blitz Ingram and deny/smother Val.
As is the night to night defensive gameplan for every team is to double or blitz Ingram and deny/smother Val.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:28 am to Bronc
I totally agree with this. I just don't see a world where a trio of Zion, Ben Simmons, and Jonas wouldn't struggle to score in the half court.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:36 am to 504Voodoo
It's also a trio that sort of negates one of the big reasons you argue to take on Simmons, which is defense. Since Val is not a good rim protector, which is Simmons' and Zion's weaknesss.
When you build these duos/trios you want guys to compliment one another and offset the other's weaknesses, Zion/Val/BI spend more time compounding weaknesses than making the game easier for everyone.
Doesn't shock me Griff wants Simmons because he's been Demps tier bad at understanding how to build synergistic rosters.
When you build these duos/trios you want guys to compliment one another and offset the other's weaknesses, Zion/Val/BI spend more time compounding weaknesses than making the game easier for everyone.
Doesn't shock me Griff wants Simmons because he's been Demps tier bad at understanding how to build synergistic rosters.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:48 am to Bronc
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Doesn't shock me Griff wants Simmons because he's been Demps tier bad at understanding how to build synergistic rosters.
I think the only real valid complaints about this are last year. This year they just haven’t made the big move to upgrade G yet since they missed in FA on it.
I also don’t know how you can say that this year when Zion hasn’t even touched the floor.
And I hate how NOLA poetic it is that the one full healthy year hes had has been with Bledsoe playing the most minutes on the team and Adams at C
2019 would’ve been pretty killer too had he been available the whole season. Favors was just a patch since they couldn’t pull off the Turner trade.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:25 am to Bronc
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When you build these duos/trios you want guys to compliment one another and offset the other's weaknesses, Zion/Val/BI spend more time compounding weaknesses than making the game easier for everyone.
and that's why i think the conversation about trading BI shouldn't be off the table, not that i want to trade him, b/c if we weren't led by a buffon, we could effectively build around BI and Zion and be good, but we aren't anywhere close to doing that over the last 2 years.
If you could trade BI and get back Jerami Grant and VanVleet, does that make us a better team around Zion as opposed to BI and whatever the frick we are trying to do at PG/SG? Both are great defenders, can score on their own, and can knock down open 3's at a high %
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:41 am to Bronc
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Doesn't shock me Griff wants Simmons because he's been Demps tier bad at understanding how to build synergistic rosters.
Griffin rightly realizes that we are not going to easily attract top talent to New Orleans and that sometimes talent is more important than fit.
The teams with the best basketball players usually win the most games.
Zion needs to see us as a winner if he is going to make a long-term commitment to the franchise. Getting really good players has to be a key part of that strategy.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:54 am to GOP_Tiger
Really good player and really talented player are 2 different things though. It's hard to say which Ben Simmons will end up being since his problems are in his head.
Look at NAW and Hayes, most have given up on them both, not because they lack talent, but because we're 3 years in and haven't seen the mental improvement we need to see. Simmons seems like a more talented version of those 2 that 5 years in still hasn't shown the mental growth you need to see.
Look at NAW and Hayes, most have given up on them both, not because they lack talent, but because we're 3 years in and haven't seen the mental improvement we need to see. Simmons seems like a more talented version of those 2 that 5 years in still hasn't shown the mental growth you need to see.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:07 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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I also don’t know how you can say that this year when Zion hasn’t even touched the floor.
28th in three pointers made for a star player that every one and their mom agrees needs shooting.
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This year they just haven’t made the big move to upgrade G yet since they missed in FA on it.
Thats a pretty big swing and a miss to have a starting back court of guys and a guard rotation that shouldn't be starters, and has only one shooter.
This is a bad team my man, poorly built around Zion....again
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
I don't thank Simmons is a fit here but the people acting like he is trash are ridiculous. Dude is a multi time all-star that plays legit defense player of the year type defense.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:14 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you could trade BI and get back Jerami Grant and VanVleet, does that make us a better team around Zion as opposed to BI and whatever the frick we are trying to do at PG/SG?
Potentially, but I also think you hit the real problem with BI/Zion, we just have done a shite job building around them.
Put Garland on this team and suddenly Garland/BI/Zion is arguably the best young trio in the league.
Add Val(or cash in for a Myles Turner) and Herb and thats a 5 man unit with some serious potential.
And what I fear is coming is a Griff "save my job" move that involves an expensive move with a low ceiling and an ownership/upper management with football brains thinking "win now"
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:26 am to Bronc
You don’t think we’re at least around .500 with Zion starting game 1?
I do
I do
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:27 am to GOP_Tiger
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Zion needs to see us as a winner if he is going to make a long-term commitment to the franchise.
At this point he's not going anywhere because there is no way his people or family is gonna risk the qualifying offer route.
So the smartest path for the organization is to stop trying to expedite the process, be realistic with our options, and maximize them. And right now the best path forward is to focus on development and secure a high draft pick.
An all out move for a misfit part to chase a play in exit in a lost season isn't going to mena more than getting someone like Chet or Ivey and being suistanable contenders 3 years from now as opposed to duct taping things every offseason with not-quite-right parts and falling short.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:29 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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You don’t think we’re at least around .500 with Zion starting game 1?
I do
Sure, but I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove?
Around .500 with two top 25 players on your roster is more of an indictment than praise.
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