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re: Latest trade rumors
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
The team needs better perimeter defenders for sure. Even an awesome win doesn't hide that fact.
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:40 pm to Townedrunkard
Agreed. We need to be in asset recoup mode. Griff has shitted enough of them down the drain for the next 10 years, let alone the last 2 years it took him to do so.
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/21 at 3:44 pm to 3PieceSpicy
For those hoping to at least be Simmons facilitators, Windhorst said it looks like teams run by Morey disciples in Minny, Sac, Houston will be the likely facilitators if a trade happens.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 11:02 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Likely just Windbag speculating.
For those hoping to at least be Simmons facilitators, Windhorst said it looks like teams run by Morey disciples in Minny, Sac, Houston will be the likely facilitators if a trade happens.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 11:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:I really like Sabonis, but not sure how he fits this team. His defense is not good.
I wonder if Sabonis would enjoy having a teammate that he can speak to in Lithuanian.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 5:28 am to NOSHAU
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REPORT: Rockets will waive Danuel House, via @wojespn
Wow, Griff needs to call and give up a protected 2nd to take him into the Melli TPE we still have
Posted on 12/18/21 at 6:42 am to TigerinATL
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For those hoping to at least be Simmons facilitators, Windhorst said it looks like teams run by Morey disciples in Minny, Sac, Houston will be the likely facilitators if a trade happens.
I just had this hypothetical come up on my timeline (LINK )
3 team trade projection involving the Thunder, Sixers and Pelicans. It went down like this..
"New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Ben Simmons
Philadelphia 76ers Receive: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: Devonte' Graham, Matisse Thybulle, Jaxson Hayes, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Tomas Satoransky, 2022 first-round pick (PHI), 2023 first-round pick (NOP), 2024 first-round pick (MIL via NOP), 2022 second-round pick (NOP), 2022 second-round pick (UTA via NOP)"
I'd rather give up Hart than Graham. But that is a pretty great deal for us, as we keep one of Hart/Graham, Ingram, Zion, Val and a couple of young pieces (Jones and Murphy). Even the picks are not that bad, basically two 1sts. I think we would still have the trade exception to add a shooter as well.
The article sourced another rumor (LINK ) that we are in talks for Simmons. But not putting Ingram or Zion in the discussion.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 6:44 am to brmark70816
If OKC would give up SGA for that, I'd rather end up with SGA than Simmons.
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 6:45 am
Posted on 12/18/21 at 6:50 am to Bronc
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is making moves to chase marginal improvement and set play-in as the organizational goal. I.E. being buyers when we should be either neutral, or sellers.
in a vaccuum yes.
but sell tix and give zion hope. = try.
3 out. i try.
after all if zion plays a dozen games in very good form and they go 8-4 and make 10th imagine the excitement. suppose they get 7th seed or 8th.
hey. if pels play suns i give odds cp3 cant suit up a whole series.
pels win in 7.
imagine!
you have to try.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:25 am to brmark70816
Yeah, eliminate Philly and send SGA here..
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:33 am to Soggymoss
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Yeah, eliminate Philly and send SGA here
We would have to come up with another early first and a Thybulle level player. I don't think we have the assets to get it done..
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:33 am to Soggymoss
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Yeah, eliminate Philly and send SGA here..
if you eliminate phila then thybulle is not going to okc.
you have to match all phila player and picks.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:33 am to Soggymoss
We need a competent back up PG ala 2014-15 Norris Cole that demps got for cheap and really stabilized that team.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:01 am to TigerinATL
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If OKC would give up SGA for that, I'd rather end up with SGA than Simmons.
I hate to even say it, but I would think that getting SGA would likely require giving up Herb + at least one more of Murphy/Graham/Valanciunas/Hart.
OKC isn't going to deal SGA for Sato, Temple, Jaxson, and some picks. Doing a deal for SGA would be costly, but at least we'd have the $17 million TPE to try to replace one of those players.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 12:31 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Appears as if Barnes and Fox from SAC are available. Either would be good fit.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 4:58 pm to brmark70816
Nahhh, for 1 OKC doesn't have alot of roster spots for all those guys, 2 they would probably prefer later out picks because of their lack of roster spots and their plethora of picks they already have early
Posted on 12/18/21 at 6:42 pm to brmark70816
Ima be honest. I don’t get the point of OKC doing something like that or similar. Trading their only B plus/ A minus player for 5 players and 5 picks, when they already have like 20 first rd picks in the next 7 years would be pretty puzzling.
They already have enough draft picks/lotto tickets to get a 2nd and 3rd star, either by trading for a star and/or drafting one, or a combo of both routes. They can also package picks to move up in the draft to probably almost get whoever they want in a given year. I don’t think they need more bites at the Apple. I think they actually need to cash some of their assets in and pair Shai with someone worthwhile. Shai level players do not grow on trees and are not guaranteed.
Technically, OKC could make all 20 first rd selections and still not get 1 player as good as Shai. I don’t know why they would cash Shai in for more lottery tickets. Shai is a lottery ticket that has already hit and could very well be a legit 2nd or 3rd piece on a contender.
I see OKC as a darkhorse in terms of a team that makes a big move for a disgruntled star. Perhaps not this year. But I could see it happening as early as next offseason.
I will say OKC made the dumbest decision of the draft when they Traded the Sengun pick to Rockets to move back 2 slots in the draft and pickup an additional low value first in the future, instead of just taking the obvious future all star in Sengun at 16.
They already have enough draft picks/lotto tickets to get a 2nd and 3rd star, either by trading for a star and/or drafting one, or a combo of both routes. They can also package picks to move up in the draft to probably almost get whoever they want in a given year. I don’t think they need more bites at the Apple. I think they actually need to cash some of their assets in and pair Shai with someone worthwhile. Shai level players do not grow on trees and are not guaranteed.
Technically, OKC could make all 20 first rd selections and still not get 1 player as good as Shai. I don’t know why they would cash Shai in for more lottery tickets. Shai is a lottery ticket that has already hit and could very well be a legit 2nd or 3rd piece on a contender.
I see OKC as a darkhorse in terms of a team that makes a big move for a disgruntled star. Perhaps not this year. But I could see it happening as early as next offseason.
I will say OKC made the dumbest decision of the draft when they Traded the Sengun pick to Rockets to move back 2 slots in the draft and pickup an additional low value first in the future, instead of just taking the obvious future all star in Sengun at 16.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 6:51 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I don’t get the point of OKC doing something like that or similar.
I agree. Remember the rumors this offseason, I believe they were looking for a top 3 pick for SGA.
OKC kind of has the same problem the Pels have. They have a lot of nickels and dimes, but no quarters or larger that they would consider expendable.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:12 pm to TigerinATL
I don't get it either. But they are shopping SGA. They for sure offered him, in a package, to Detroit for Cunningham (before the draft). They really don't have any other players to flip other than SGA. None of the other pieces look that great. Giddey is ok. Dort and Bazley are serviceable. All the others are too raw or journeymen.
Honestly, Houston has done a better job flipping the roster and reloading. If OKC moves SGA, they are 2-3 years out. That is a long time to bottom out.
Can SGA be moved before February? He signed an extension in August. I saw where he can't be traded for 6 months. Is that right?
Honestly, Houston has done a better job flipping the roster and reloading. If OKC moves SGA, they are 2-3 years out. That is a long time to bottom out.
Can SGA be moved before February? He signed an extension in August. I saw where he can't be traded for 6 months. Is that right?
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:19 pm to TigerinATL
I def could see some reasoning behind OKC possibly moving Shai if they could reset their organizational clock a bit with a similar player to Shai in Cade. Cade also has Oklahoma roots. I think once they figured out Cade was going 1st, they likely stopped kicking the tires on dealing Shai for a top 3 pick.
I feel like OKC could offer an enticing deal for a star using Giddey, Dort, Mann and picks. Shai and whoever the star would be, wouldn’t necessarily guarantee success, so it wouldn’t be the same as dealing a star to the Lakers or Bucks and basically having to rely on injuries occurring for the draft picks to yield great value.
What I’m not 100% sure about is if OKC has enough contracts to move for a max player. One good setup the Pels have going for them is a lot of different salaries that can theoretically add up to a Max slot. I’m not even sure who OKC is paying right now lol.
A bit off topic, but I would really like to pursue a NAW and seconds deal for Mann. Not sure if OKC would bite unless Shai requests it, but it’s worth a shot.
I feel like OKC could offer an enticing deal for a star using Giddey, Dort, Mann and picks. Shai and whoever the star would be, wouldn’t necessarily guarantee success, so it wouldn’t be the same as dealing a star to the Lakers or Bucks and basically having to rely on injuries occurring for the draft picks to yield great value.
What I’m not 100% sure about is if OKC has enough contracts to move for a max player. One good setup the Pels have going for them is a lot of different salaries that can theoretically add up to a Max slot. I’m not even sure who OKC is paying right now lol.
A bit off topic, but I would really like to pursue a NAW and seconds deal for Mann. Not sure if OKC would bite unless Shai requests it, but it’s worth a shot.
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