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Lakers trade redux
Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:50 pm
Since it’s so slow, I thought I’d bring up something to chat about. First off, the trade has turned out loads better than I expected. I thought Ball would turn into the player he’s showing, a Jason Kidd lite. Was not sold on Ingram, seemed like an inefficient volume scorer that wouldnt put on weight. His shot improved drastically so I’m glad I was wrong. Love Hart as a player and the draft picks are lagniappe.
That being said, after we won the lottery and in the AD trade threads I kept pumping the do whatever it takes trade to get Ja with Zion. I mostly thought if we traded with the Celtics and secured Tatum along with the Grizz pick the Celtics own, it might be enough for them to bite. We’d also get Gordon or Smart while they keep Brown. Think that would be more appealing than the Lakers assets for the Grizz.
Got a ton of downvotes for this proposal then. Just wondering if anyone would change history and give up just about everything we acquired in the AD trade for Ja now after seeing everyone play this year. Or would you pick the Celtics package centered on just Tatum, Grizz pick but no Brown so they can pair him with AD and Kemba . Keep in mind in the ‘keep it the way it is crowd’ we about to max out Ingram and Ball is right behind him. Ja and Zion can compete now and be on rookie deals the next 3-4 years. They will both be the best contracts in the NBA by next year.
That being said, after we won the lottery and in the AD trade threads I kept pumping the do whatever it takes trade to get Ja with Zion. I mostly thought if we traded with the Celtics and secured Tatum along with the Grizz pick the Celtics own, it might be enough for them to bite. We’d also get Gordon or Smart while they keep Brown. Think that would be more appealing than the Lakers assets for the Grizz.
Got a ton of downvotes for this proposal then. Just wondering if anyone would change history and give up just about everything we acquired in the AD trade for Ja now after seeing everyone play this year. Or would you pick the Celtics package centered on just Tatum, Grizz pick but no Brown so they can pair him with AD and Kemba . Keep in mind in the ‘keep it the way it is crowd’ we about to max out Ingram and Ball is right behind him. Ja and Zion can compete now and be on rookie deals the next 3-4 years. They will both be the best contracts in the NBA by next year.
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 5:55 pm to Townedrunkard
I would keep it the way it is.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 6:07 pm to Townedrunkard
We were very damn close to getting both Zion and Morant had Lakers gotten that second pick. Obviously that would have been incredible and the dream scenario.
But I think NAW and Hayes are gonna be great players for us. And you have to include Louzada too.
But I think NAW and Hayes are gonna be great players for us. And you have to include Louzada too.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:20 pm to Townedrunkard
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I mostly thought if we traded with the Celtics and secured Tatum along with the Grizz pick the Celtics own, it might be enough for them to bite.
the trade was made after the lottery. The grizzlies pick that Boston owns would not have conveyed last year. They’d still have morant.
to get morant you’d have to have traded with the grizzlies, or the lakers would have had to have gotten #2
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:32 pm to Townedrunkard
Ingram and Tatum are washes. Tatum slight edge at best.
Brown individually is a better player than zo, hart, etc
But an overall package vs brown and you gotta keep the trade as is in all honesty.
Brown individually is a better player than zo, hart, etc
But an overall package vs brown and you gotta keep the trade as is in all honesty.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:39 pm to Townedrunkard
I have to try real hard to think of a better package we could have received that's better than what we have right now. If I had to change something it would be the Lakers draft picks, but then again I'm not sure what exactly I'd want different
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:16 pm to cgrand
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the trade was made after the lottery. The grizzlies pick that Boston owns would not have conveyed last year. They’d still have morant. to get morant you’d have to have traded with the grizzlies, or the lakers would have had to have gotten #2
I know. The lottery took place we got #1, Grizz got #2. Grizz wanted the pick to convey this year but it didn’t. It becomes more valuable in the following years because the restrictions fall off. What I’m saying is, we make the trade with the Celtics with the center pieces being Tatum, the rights to the Grizz pick and either Smart or Heyward to match salaries for AD. Supposedly the Celtics made Tatum or Brown available but not both. We turn around and send Tatum and the Grizz pick that we now own back to them for the rights to the #2 pick(Ja).
Getting a young potential all star (which Tatum became)and the rights to their pick back would have had to made them think long and hard instead of gambling on the complete unknown which you get with a rookie.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:16 pm to Townedrunkard
I’m a big fan of Tatum and what he’s done this year but give me this current team all day. I bought my first season tickets for any team, for next year, for this team. I love this team.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 2:09 am to Large Farva
I agree. There is something special about this team. The make up, or maybe finally having more than one or two pieces to believe in, I don’t know, but there is something special about this team.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:33 am to Townedrunkard
I would take Tatum over Ja morant 100/100.
Tatum is a bonafiide superstar after the season he just had, and let the terms of your hypothetical we don’t have ingram.
you’d have holiday, smart, Tatum, zion, redick, etc plus the grizzlies pick you could then talk to trading back to them for Winslow
Tatum is a bonafiide superstar after the season he just had, and let the terms of your hypothetical we don’t have ingram.
you’d have holiday, smart, Tatum, zion, redick, etc plus the grizzlies pick you could then talk to trading back to them for Winslow
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:45 am to Townedrunkard
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I kept pumping the do whatever it takes trade to get Ja with Zion.
This was never going to happen. The Grizzlies were a team that was starting a rebuild after dismantling a beloved veteran team and were lucky enough to win a top 2 pick in a draft who's top tier was 2 deep. They already had what rebuilding teams are looking for, you would have to have significantly overpaid the Grizzlies to get them to trade Ja to you.
Also, your plan relies on Boston trading Tatum, but many rumors suggest AD and Klutch poisoned the well pretty good and Boston was never that far in. We're honestly lucky we got the Lakers to go all in like they did when the competing bids weren't full strength.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 3:57 pm to TigerinATL
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We're honestly lucky we got the Lakers to go all in like they did when the competing bids weren't full strength.
the real “what if” is, what if the lakers didn’t get lucky and pull #4?
then you’ve got BOS making a perfunctory offer (no Tatum), the lakers offering their players but no good pick, and the Knicks
that would have been a disaster
Posted on 5/2/20 at 4:47 pm to cgrand
The ping pong balls definitely bounced in the Pels favor last year. While we are in hypotheticals, if the Lakers ended up at 3 instead of 4, would we be better off with RJ Barrett or NAW/Jax. Do y’all think the Lakers would have offered the same players in that scenario?
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 5/2/20 at 4:59 pm to cgrand
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the real “what if” is, what if the lakers didn’t get lucky and pull #4?
then you’ve got BOS making a perfunctory offer (no Tatum), the lakers offering their players but no good pick, and the Knicks
that would have been a disaster
Yep.
And if they had gotten the 3rd or 2nd pick, they might say they aren't giving up the pick and Hart and/or Ball.
Also, while it always sounds incredible in theory, there's only so many coaches, so many resources that can be thrown at rookies/young developing players. There's definitely no guarantee that Zion and Morant develop to their full potential if they are on the same team from day 1. I love that we have Jaxon and NAW, but I would bet they would get better, faster if they were on a team that could devote resources to them as if they were one of one or one of two rookies on their team.
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 7:16 am to JohnnyKilroy
obviously just guessing but I think the lakers make the same offer with 2, 3 or 4. if it was 2, the pels stay put and take morant. if 3, they stay put and take RJ. I don’t think they ever intended to take anyone at 4.
had they gotten morant, would be have immediately started and played all those minutes? It’s a good question
had they gotten morant, would be have immediately started and played all those minutes? It’s a good question
Posted on 5/3/20 at 2:23 pm to cgrand
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had they gotten morant, would be have immediately started and played all those minutes? It’s a good question
I think the Lakers would have kept Ball in the trade and gave us the #2. They still needed a pg and figure they’d prefer a pg with some experience than another rookie to initiate. Ingram was never gonna fit with Lebron.
If they had landed #3, I think they maybe pull Hart out of the deal but not Ball and Ingram.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:42 pm to SaintTigerPel
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While we are in hypotheticals, if the Lakers ended up at 3 instead of 4, would we be better off with RJ Barrett or NAW/Jax. Do y’all think the Lakers would have offered the same players in that scenario?
This post was edited on 5/2 at 4:51 pm
pels would be better off with any of several guys after the fact than the trade down for hayes and naw.
you could have got herro and clarke.
they are both better now than hayes. Hayes may never shoot as well as either of them and clarke 3 pt shooting improved during season1.
for hayes to pan out you are hoping for Rodman.
naw is more interesting. if he calms down he can be great. slow the f down man.
herro and clarke are near their peak. but its a nice place.
hayes and naw you need
naw for the light to dawn.
Hayes to practice like i did when i was 16.
50 shots from the corner.
50 hook shots in the lane.
25 from head of circle.
all summer.
one day my sisters friends come over. all 15 yr olds.
them vs me and some 10 and 12 yr olds. make and you take out. their idea.
i made 6 or 8 in a row from the corner and they said this is boring. ha. i pointed out they would not choose sides and insisted on make and take out. hayes never had a day like that.
herro probably cant get anyone to play horse vs him for cash.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:38 am to Townedrunkard
If we could have gotten Tatum, I would have done that deal. I just don't think the Celtics offered him (not without the extension agreed to). Lakers and maybe Knicks were the only serious offers. Part of me really wishes we would have done a Knick deal just to watch Davis suffer for a year in NY. He would have been miserable. Plus Barrett is going to be a nice player..
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:20 am to SaintTigerPel
The only effect it would have would have been which picks we got IMHO.
The Lakers had to dump every contract but LeBron and Kuzma in order to have a max or near-max slot available should another superstar want in. That’s why they paid Washington to take the three guys on nothing deals to clear money after we refused to make it a multi-team deal.
The Lakers had to dump every contract but LeBron and Kuzma in order to have a max or near-max slot available should another superstar want in. That’s why they paid Washington to take the three guys on nothing deals to clear money after we refused to make it a multi-team deal.
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