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re: Jose has stress reaction, Zion update, Nance update
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:09 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:09 am to whatiknowsofar
When you have a collapse of this magnitude, it's more than one thing. Every part of the organization has its share of the blame.
Training Staff- LOL, whatever they do doesn't work.
Coaching - We wasted half a season playing Graham when we could have been getting Dyson PT. Willie's stupid rotations, lack of offense, etc.
Players - BI milking a toe. Zion not taking care of his body. CJ playing hero ball. Jax being a retard. Willy sulking. Jonas refusing to adapt to throwing elbows or moving screens. Herb regressing.
Front Office - Poor roster construction. No rim protection. Lack of shooting. Not making moves at the deadline that could have helped.
Ownership - It ultimately stops here. Since Gayle took over both the Saints and Pels have been total shitshows mostly.
Training Staff- LOL, whatever they do doesn't work.
Coaching - We wasted half a season playing Graham when we could have been getting Dyson PT. Willie's stupid rotations, lack of offense, etc.
Players - BI milking a toe. Zion not taking care of his body. CJ playing hero ball. Jax being a retard. Willy sulking. Jonas refusing to adapt to throwing elbows or moving screens. Herb regressing.
Front Office - Poor roster construction. No rim protection. Lack of shooting. Not making moves at the deadline that could have helped.
Ownership - It ultimately stops here. Since Gayle took over both the Saints and Pels have been total shitshows mostly.
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:30 am to supe12sta12z
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If this means Dyson and Kira get some burn, I'm ok with it.
We really need to get Kira some consistent playing time to evaluate him.
21 upvotes and 1 downvote. This has more upvotes than anything positive I've said about Kira over the last three years combined. He was bashed, called a flop, needed to be traded asap, and now everybody wants Kira run
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:19 am to CBandits82
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Zion Williamson continues to make progress, will update next week when imaging occurs.
Yeah, this crap gets old quick. Jen used to get all excited telling us stuff like “Great news concerning Zion!!, he’s progressing just as expected!! And will be further evaluated in 10-12 weeks!!
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:31 am to SlickRick55
I’m so sick and tired of Zion and his injuries. There is absolutely no excuse for an athlete in his early 20’s to be out for almost two months with a “strained hamstring” when you have multi million dollar medical treatments. You obviously just don’t care.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:34 am to Mad Scientist26
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There is absolutely no excuse for an athlete in his early 20’s to be out for almost two months with a “strained hamstring” when you have multi million dollar medical treatments. You obviously just don’t care.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:36 am to Mad Scientist26
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There is absolutely no excuse for an athlete in his early 20’s to be out for almost two months with a “strained hamstring” when you have multi million dollar medical treatments. You obviously just don’t care.
Or this medical/training staff that has multi million dollar equipment just isn't that good.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:27 pm to Mad Scientist26
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There is absolutely no excuse for an athlete in his early 20’s to be out for almost two months with a “strained hamstring” when you have multi million dollar medical treatments.
A grade 2 "strained" hamstring injury, which is what the timeline suggests Zion had, is a partial tear. It takes time to heal and is also notorious for re-injury.
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Hamstring injuries are common at all levels of sport, however recurrence rates are disproportionate compared to other soft tissue injuries
...HSIs have been reported to account for 12%1 of all primary injuries, and their recurrence rate is remarkable, at 32%
...Recurrence rates following hamstring injuries are high with the greatest incidence for re-injury occurring within the first two weeks after return to sport. Increased recurrence rates within this timeframe may indicate continued impairments and functional limitations not be easily identified with traditional return to sport testing
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This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:29 pm to iwyLSUiwy
How many medical staffs and professionals must you go through until you realize you’re the problem?!?!
You don’t need Dr. Andrews to tell you how to rehab a strained hamstring. What do you think they’re telling him to do… run wind sprints all day?
You don’t need Dr. Andrews to tell you how to rehab a strained hamstring. What do you think they’re telling him to do… run wind sprints all day?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:41 pm to TigerinATL
From the link you’ve provided it said there’s normally about 12 days recovery period for a Grade 2 Hamstring. Also, if you re-aggravated your hamstring within the first two weeks then let’s say it’s about 4 to 5 weeks give or take. It’s about 8 weeks and they don’t know if he’s healthy enough. Also, from Griff’s response he sounds a little frustrated as well. It’s ridiculous!
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:52 pm to Mad Scientist26
I can't find the link, it may have even been on a podcast I heard talking about Zion's injury, but a doctor was describing the healing process and essentially the tear gets covered over in scar tissue but the hamstring is so tricky because it doesn't always set up the scar tissue right. So if it doesn't heal right it tears and you have to start healing all over again.
There is no "should" in this situation. His hamstring "should" be healed by now, well it's not. Maybe it's an above average grade 2 injury or Zion is a below average healer like BI. Either way, this is the situation we are dealing with and based on everything I've heard and read about hamstring injuries in the past month, I can't point to a specific thing and say "this is how we could have avoided this." other than Zion committing even more to being in peak condition.
I've actually seen quite a bit of difference of opinion from the experts on whether stretching the hamstring or strengthening the surrounding/supporting muscles is the way to go. This just isn't a text book injury and honestly we shouldn't be concerned that it recurred while rehabbing, we should be concerned that it will happen again in future seasons.
There is no "should" in this situation. His hamstring "should" be healed by now, well it's not. Maybe it's an above average grade 2 injury or Zion is a below average healer like BI. Either way, this is the situation we are dealing with and based on everything I've heard and read about hamstring injuries in the past month, I can't point to a specific thing and say "this is how we could have avoided this." other than Zion committing even more to being in peak condition.
I've actually seen quite a bit of difference of opinion from the experts on whether stretching the hamstring or strengthening the surrounding/supporting muscles is the way to go. This just isn't a text book injury and honestly we shouldn't be concerned that it recurred while rehabbing, we should be concerned that it will happen again in future seasons.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:02 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:I can't speak to that link but I am about 99.9999999999% certain that a grade 2 hamstring injury is a 6-8 week NBA injury if there are no setbacks.
From the link you’ve provided it said there’s normally about 12 days recovery period for a Grade 2 Hamstring. Also, if you re-aggravated your hamstring within the first two weeks then let’s say it’s about 4 to 5 weeks give or take. It’s about 8 weeks and they don’t know if he’s healthy enough. Also, from Griff’s response he sounds a little frustrated as well. It’s ridiculous!
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:04 pm to TigerinATL
quote:And while we're all frustrated with how often he is injured and time missed, it absolutely can be that it should be healed and isn't but that doesn't mean Zion isn't doing what he's supposed to be doing to get back out there.
There is no "should" in this situation. His hamstring "should" be healed by now, well it's not.
But people don't want to hear that. It's a larger thought on society nowadays and an absolute NEED to assign blame. Maybe there's no one to blame. Maybe everyone is doing everything they're supposed to be doing, but Zion just keeps getting injured. That can also be the case
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:31 pm to Soggymoss
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Jose Alvarado has a stress reaction in his right tibia.
Hard to tell which time Orlando threw him to the ground (no foul) that this happened? So many incidents of the top of my head.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:57 pm to Mad Scientist26
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How many medical staffs and professionals must you go through until you realize you’re the problem?!?!
You don’t need Dr. Andrews to tell you how to rehab a strained hamstring. What do you think they’re telling him to do… run wind sprints all day?
You know what helps with your hamstrings? Stretching. A 18 year old could tell you that. BI and Zion were making fun of CJ for his stretching routine. So they were making fun of a guy that was doing something to help prevent an injury.
Nobody really likes stretching, but it is something that you do if you want to be proactive in not getting injuries. Our training staff should be making those guys stretch instead of them making fun of someone for doing it. It's not really surprising for a guy to mess up his hamstring when you find out he probably doesn't even stretch, and I don't even put that on Zion, the training staff should be making him do it whether he wants to or not.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I saw a rumor on the Twitter that Zion has told another NBA player not on the Pels that he thinks he could be back March 11th. Does that even pass the sniff test? If imaging is "next week", lets say next Monday, could he go through the 1 on 1, 3 on 3, 5 on 5 ramp up process by next Saturday?
It just doesn't seem like a workable timeline to be a legit rumor. However, the team is getting close to the point of no return. If he plays and has a setback where he's done for the season is that really any different than waiting another week or 2 to be 100% but the team would be far enough out of the play in race that he'd get shut down anyway?
It just doesn't seem like a workable timeline to be a legit rumor. However, the team is getting close to the point of no return. If he plays and has a setback where he's done for the season is that really any different than waiting another week or 2 to be 100% but the team would be far enough out of the play in race that he'd get shut down anyway?
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:21 pm to TigerinATL
Judging on past ramp up timelines …that doesn’t pass the sniff test .
However , your second point is key . If you wait to long to bring him back it’s not going to matter .
If he want to give it a go and is reasonably healthy enough to do so, you have to let him loose with the understanding that it’s possible or even likely he tweaks it again and if he does what have you really lost ?
However , your second point is key . If you wait to long to bring him back it’s not going to matter .
If he want to give it a go and is reasonably healthy enough to do so, you have to let him loose with the understanding that it’s possible or even likely he tweaks it again and if he does what have you really lost ?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You know what helps with your hamstrings? Stretching. A 18 year old could tell you that. BI and Zion were making fun of CJ for his stretching routine. So they were making fun of a guy that was doing something to help prevent an injury.
These are things he needs to learn on his own.
I bet now he will speak with CJ and listen better to his advice. Some guys want to say “Oh that won’t happen to me” until it does happen, and that’s when they learn from it.
We all know Zion is a competitor and wants to be out there. He just has to learn how to best manage his body, as well as the training staff. Griff said it when he was drafted, nobody has ever seen a guy with this combination of a size,speed,athleticism and explosiveness, and it will be a learning curve for everyone including the medical staff.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:31 pm to shel311
There is a high likelihood that Zion at least bears some responsibility for never meeting or beating an initial injury timeline.
Maybe none of it is his fault this time. But all we have to go on is the last 4 years. It’s likely he bears at least some responsibility. Even if it’s just refusing to lose weight bc he wants to be the first above the rim 300 pounder in nba history for branding, clout, or whatever purposes.
Maybe none of it is his fault this time. But all we have to go on is the last 4 years. It’s likely he bears at least some responsibility. Even if it’s just refusing to lose weight bc he wants to be the first above the rim 300 pounder in nba history for branding, clout, or whatever purposes.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:46 pm to Mad Scientist26
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From the link you’ve provided it said there’s normally about 12 days recovery period for a Grade 2 Hamstring.
FWIW I had a grade 2/3 in college that I reinjured doing something stupid before it was ready, and it took a full year of treatment and rehab to recover, and it was never the 100% the same again. It was my first significant injury and it sucked. Hamstrings are no joke.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 3:47 pm to shel311
Bankrupt describes his time playing on the court during his 1st 4 seasons.
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