re: JJ now saying Griff is the reason for tampering investigations

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No one respects Griff as a GM. Yet y’all will simply defend him because he is the GM of your team. Griffin is an assclown who lied to JJ

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This is a wildly two dimensional take from someone who thinks a little clearer than this usually.

One can criticize Griff for many things while still taking his side to a certain extent in the JJ saga.

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We had a chance at a complete rebuild, new GM, new VP, and eventually a new coach. All we got was Griff and griff-speak

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Having to hire a second coach in 2 years is a huge red flag. The disconnect with SVG was alarming & embarrassing

Who gives a shite what this pasty limp dick says

Griff controlled the Lonzo trade simply because Zo was a RFA. In fact he took back contracts to facilitate the transaction.
Griff was too busy trying to sign Chris Paul or Lowery. Both of these guys were pipe dreams to begin. Only in Griff's insane mind would Paul return.

Griffin panicked when he got rebuffed by Paul and KL. He then rushed into a dumb trade for a sixth man on a bad team.

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Stan & Griffin basically confirmed it

Find the articles. they’ve commented on it basically saying “it’s a business “

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No, he did not. Griffin did not confirm that he lied to JJ. Griffin has no incentive to escalate the conflict by responding and calling JJ a liar.

I am sure that Grifin and JJ had an understanding. I am also sure that Griffin does not believe that he violated that understanding.

The truth is that Griffin probably thought that their deal was contingent on Redick acting in a certain way.

My guess is that Redick, after endorsing SVG, turned and complained about him. My guess is that, instead of being the stabilizing veteran presence he was supposed to be, Redick bitched and moaned in the locker room about how he badly he didn't want to still be here, and that Redick ultimately had a negative effect on team chemistry.

David Griffin obviously can't say anything like this in public. Griffin is a sunshine pumper for sure: Jrue is MVP, we're going to kick people's asses, etc. And Griffin has also made some dumb moves in hiring SVG, planning on Bledsoe to be a starter, giving up assets to get Steven Adams, etc.

But Griffin is, in every other way, working very hard to create a family atmosphere involving trust. The Willie Green hire is part of that. And there are no other incidents that I know of of Griffin being a dick and screwing people over.

Which is why I do not believe that David Griffin was simply a dick to JJ Redick and screwed him over and broke his promise to him. It just seems obvious to me that there is more to the story.

Again, Griffin did not "basically confirm" Redick's assertion that Griffin lied.

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Funny that you talk about false expectations on Griffs end without mentioning the expectations that JJ failed to live up to as well.

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It seems you really want to try and make this a me defending JJ thing, and are trying to angle the discussion in any way you can to deflect discussing what my actual criticisms are. I could give a frick about JJ and his spoiled sour grapes arse. What I do care about is making sure our management is running things well, and so far, Griff has not instilled that confidence and piled up a lot of evidence to the contrary.

And between Gentry’s frustration with Griff micromanaging him, SVG’s interviews talking about a lack of clear communication and his micromanagement, Lonzo talking about feeling unwanted and left in limbo, Redick’s complaints about false promises, Zion and his family being frustrated, Hart hinting at displeasure at how certain things have been handled, I think the evidence is more and more indicating that Griff has not been great on the communication front for this franchise. He talked about building a culture here of family and winning, he hasnt done either to this point. My hope is he’s learned some lessons and Willie Green and some of the moves are a path to improving that, but I’ll continue to be skeptical until proven otherwise.

You summoned me, I said my piece.

If you want, keep pretending that the ESPN article says something that it doesn't.

You can pretend whatever you want.

While I agree, devil's advocate:
It could be a 2 way road, what if it was Griffin was lied to by Redick first and then because he broke taht promise Griffin felt he didn't have to keep his.

Maybe the agreement or thought was that if we hire this guy (SVG) who you think is great and will reach our young duo (Ingram/Zion), than we need you to be that veteran and help guide this team too.

He then goes and turns on the entire system/setup and becomes a malcontent and demands out, etc. Griff says frick it, you told me if we hired your guy you were 100% bought in for the year, you're not so screw it

Literally no one was shocked that Lowry took a little bit less money to play with his friend Jimmy Butler in the NBA-magnet city of Miami.

LE just hates David Griffin, so you can't expect a rational evaluation from him.

This offseason, we replaced SVG with a promising young coach, got rid of Bledsoe and Adams, upgraded our roster with pieces that fit much better in the new Point Zion era, and selected the guy at #17 who some are now calling the steal of the draft.

It would seem an odd time for hatred of David Griffin, but you do you, LE.

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They were about the repercussions of setting false expectations with players and agents and how that can have snowball effects, especially with a guy like Reddick that has a big microphone and playe rinfluence. And I’m guessing things right now are going just a bit more difficult with Hart given the agent that felt lied to by Griff in the Redick situation, Aaron Mintz, is also representing Hart.

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You're really going to ignore that JJ signed a 2 year contract cause we offered the most money then demanded a trade to teams that didn't want him? When you sign a 2 year contract and you're a role player in your late 30s you can't demand a trade like you're a superstar.