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re: JJ Comments on ESPN about BI, Zion, and potential trade chatter
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:00 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:00 pm to TigerinATL
quote:IIRC, it was reported a while back that he hired a personal chef.
We know he can play himself into shape. What would make me feel a lot better about Zion is him adding tools and habits that will help him stay in shape when he can't play. Like getting into shape by swimming a few hours a day. Or using the personal chef for all of his meals and not hitting up Wendy's anymore. That's probably not anything that would ever get reported to us, but if I'm the team, that's the kind of thing I'd be looking for and pushing for.
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:01 pm to shel311
Not realizing its a sin to post his comments, sorry im a newbie. When I do post them I always state please read with a grain of salt but I guess some people dont lol
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
2 years? Bruh Scoot is 19 years old. He couldn't have joined the Gleague 2 years ago even if everyone wanted him to.
What we have on scoot is 19 games of Gleague tape and high school stats
What we have on scoot is 19 games of Gleague tape and high school stats
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:03 pm to shel311
quote:Not at all (don't trust either) but some here have clung to MM's sources as reliable, so just pointing out that they do not coincide. Also, even Windy (who I am not a fan of) has said the same as MM.
Bruh, if you're questioning who you trust more with a report out of Stein and that dude...you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:06 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Lol he played in 21-22 and 22-23 for gleague. Google it. The fact you don’t know that makes me think you have no idea who he is.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:08 pm to Pels_Yaz
I'll be damned, how'd that work with a 17 year old? I was under the impression you had to be 18 years old
ETA: Also, why'd he only play 10 games? Anyone know how that went down?
ETA: Also, why'd he only play 10 games? Anyone know how that went down?
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:08 pm to NOSHAU
Again I hope people realize I never said his tweets were reliable. I said not sure if its true and take with grain of salt when posting his stuff. I know you may not be directing your comment at me but wanted to make this pretty clear.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:11 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
He graduated early from high school at 17 and signed with the Ignite. Not sure honestly how that works. Maybe an exception since he graduated high school early.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:21 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
IIRC, it was reported a while back that he hired a personal chef.
I wish this info was from someone besides Christian Clark, but on one of Clark's podcasts near the end of the season he made it sound like Zion doesn't have or at least doesn't use his personal Chef all the time. I don't know if that's because he actually doesn't use a chef full time, or because he eats stuff not prepared by the chef in addition to the professionally prepared meals. Clark said multiple teammates told him Zion doesn't eat very good and he didn't think that was something those players would make up.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:24 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
in the infamous gender reveal video, he appears to be fit.
Standing next to a pregnant woman....he looks fit
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:30 pm to WaltWhite504
quote:He looked like the best shape since preseason rookie Zion.
Standing next to a pregnant woman....he looks fit
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:32 pm to shel311
Ok just relax. We’ve seen this whole Zion looks great in the offseason pictures before. And then a couple months later we’re still talking about how his weight/conditioning is an issue. I’ve never seen a guy’s weight fluctuate that much within the year.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:34 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Did he not?
Ok just relax.
quote:Just asking the question, not sure if you've seen the pic and video, can you recall a time since the regular season of his rookie year started that you felt he looked as slim as he did in that video? I cannot.
We’ve seen this whole Zion looks great in the offseason pictures before.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:36 pm to shel311
For me the conversation around trading Zion for Scoot needs to be looked at as what’s the chance Scoot ends up as good a player as a healthy Zion is? 10%?
What’s the chance Zion gets his mind right and actually starts putting in the work to stay healthy? 70-75%?
That has to be weighed before you make any decisions, me personally i take the chance on the known player and think i can hire a trainer/medical staff that gets him involved and keeps him healthy
What’s the chance Zion gets his mind right and actually starts putting in the work to stay healthy? 70-75%?
That has to be weighed before you make any decisions, me personally i take the chance on the known player and think i can hire a trainer/medical staff that gets him involved and keeps him healthy
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:37 pm to shel311
I guess but I feel like Ive seen many pictures in the previous offseasons where hes looked like in great shape. The concern has always been his ability to stay in that same shape especially when injured or rehabbing. Again, maybe the new training staff can figure this out but I have no idea how this dude continues to put on weight so easily.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:40 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
For me the conversation around trading Zion for Scoot needs to be looked at as what’s the chance Scoot ends up as good a player as a healthy Zion is? 10%?
What’s the chance Zion gets his mind right and actually starts putting in the work to stay healthy? 70-75%?
That's what makes it so difficult.
I'd say the chance that Scoot ends up as good as Zion at 10 percent and that's generous.
I'd say the chance Zion matures in time to extend his career at about 25 percent.
Neither odds are great but I think there's a slightly better chance Zion gets his shite together.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:43 pm to Soggymoss
For me the conversation around trading Zion for Scoot needs to be looked at as what’s the chance Scoot ends up as good a player as a healthy Zion is? 10%?
- is that really the question or is it whats the chance Scoot provides more playable elite production in the next four or five years compared to the elite production Zion will give us in the next four or five years? Which we obviously have to take into account what Zion has already provided in his first four years.
- is that really the question or is it whats the chance Scoot provides more playable elite production in the next four or five years compared to the elite production Zion will give us in the next four or five years? Which we obviously have to take into account what Zion has already provided in his first four years.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:44 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
For me the conversation around trading Zion for Scoot needs to be looked at as what’s the chance Scoot ends up as good a player as a healthy Zion is? 10%?
What’s the chance Zion gets his mind right and actually starts putting in the work to stay healthy? 70-75%?
That has to be weighed before you make any decisions, me personally i take the chance on the known player and think i can hire a trainer/medical staff that gets him involved and keeps him healthy
That's because you're looking at it from a basketball perspective. The only thing this organization cares about is that Zion has lost the ability to sell season tickets. Scoot is a new face to market and a new hope to sell.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:50 pm to ghost2most
quote:
I'd say the chance Zion matures in time to extend his career at about 25 percent.
The reason I have it as high as I do is because we’ve seen him be healthy in 20-21 season when he was pushed hard by SVG.
He is the type of player you have to push hard. I really think he loved playing for Stan, and we just have to find that trainer that motivates him the same way Stan did, and the way Coach K did at Duke.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:50 pm to ghost2most
quote:My exact reasoning for wanting Zion and not Scoot, to a tee.
That's what makes it so difficult.
I'd say the chance that Scoot ends up as good as Zion at 10 percent and that's generous.
I'd say the chance Zion matures in time to extend his career at about 25 percent.
Neither odds are great but I think there's a slightly better chance Zion gets his shite together.
Obviously those that think otherwise disagree with the percentages, but I think the odds that Zion can stay healthy enough seasons to make a huge impact are higher than the odds that Scoot can be better than Zion, and that's why I want Zion.
For other franchises, the above may not be the correct equation. For a franchise like the Pels who aren't getting a max elite free agent to come to you or hell, we're not even getting a max elite player via trade, you have to take the biggest possible swings on the best possible players. And for me, that is Zion, his upside is much higher than Scoot's IMO.
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