re: Jeremiah Fears has had a horrific start to the season too.

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we aren't winning anything of consequence this year or any year that Zion is still on this team.

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The issue here is that you still need role players along with guys who can score 20-30pts per night.

Its unfortunate that Zion will not reach his potential and be the type of player who can take over for 30-40pts at will. BUT he is still a very efficient 20ppg player. Trey on the other hand is the same thing but less consistent and less efficient.

If we are going to choose between (2) 20ppg players that can occasionally do more then I'd rather Zion for efficiency purposes. Add in that Trey has more trade value and it makes more sense for him to be moved.

I hope we are looking at the best overall asset(s) with a Murray/ Poole/ Trey package but we prob hold onto him too late and trade Murray/ Poole for peanuts.

My crazy idea:

Lakers: Murray/ Trey/ Watford

Bucks: Poole/ Hardy/ '28 Pels (Top 4 protected) / '32 Lakers swap

Pels: Turner/ R Rollins/ Vanderbilt/ Reaves/ Was 2nd/ Was 2nd

Fears/ Rollins / AJ
Reaves/ Mathurin/ McGowens
Herb/ Bey/
Zion/ Queen/ Karlo
Turner/ Missi/ DJ

Murray/ Poole/ Trey OUT

Turner/ Rollins/ Reaves IN

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 arent doing that, probably because we're trying to showcase poole and Murray to build value (lol).

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Well yeah in order to trade them so we can develop Fears. Starting Fears with them instead of showcasing those guys with Fears on the bench shows the exact opposite of what you are saying.

I agree those guys should have been gone in the offseason but you have to both showcase those guys and develop Fears. Not sure what more you can do than what they are doing.

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Rehab starts are the dumbest concept. Naturally, we’ve used it religiously the last few years.

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They are dumb because we have done this and not actually traded anyone. Its not as dumb if it increases their value and you actually move them.

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Oh really?
last 4 years TS%
Zion 62.5%
Trey 61.8%

TS% is a better measure of efficiency scoring than you looking at Zion's FG% since all he does is attempt layups and deciding to say he's a more efficient scorer than Trey.

Trey also has a career 123 ORtg while Zion has a career 121 ORtg

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So they are very close except one can be traded for a good bit more?

I never said Z was better. Trey can get more in a trade therefore being the better asset. I'd rather have Z in a smaller role averaging 70% fg on 10 shots > needing Trey to get atleast 10 shots and possibly being less efficient.

Z has a role that can be maximized if you minimize him. Trey is pointless to minimize and has not shown the potential to be worth it to give 20 shots per game.

To add on to that, Z would probably be ok with that role where as Trey would either want the 20shots per game or request a trade.

You also added that Trey is more efficient due to 3's but he is indeed less consistent than Z.

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Zion on the other hand is a negative on the court off the ball, and throughout his career has been a terrible defender.

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Enough of this bullshite. The dude is averaging 3.1 steals a game this year compared to a career average of .9 and has been overall solid. Stop taking examples of 5 years ago to explain how someone would impact a game right now.

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never have a negative impact on the 4 guys he's playing with on either side of the ball.

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Never ever? Not even all 4 games to start this season?

Z's only 2 negative +/- games were minimal against Den and he still was one of the few bright spots.

You are upset because Z isn't a stud who will finish games and I agree but we don't need him to. Get that guy (Reaves) and maximize Z in a smaller role.

Let Trey have a 32pt 12/20 game followed by a 14pts 5-20 game somewhere else.

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Enough of this bullshite. The dude is averaging 3.1 steals a game this year compared to a career average of .9 and has been overall solid. Stop taking examples of 5 years ago to explain how someone would impact a game right now.

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enough of his bullshite. i don't give a shite what he's done in 5 games. I have 7 years worth of evidence on him.


and i'll be honest, i have absolutely loved the way Zion has come out and played this season, especially defensively. i love that he's guarding Jokic and Sabonis. His big arse should be doing that, and he can be effective at it if he really wants to, and it creates such huge mismatches for us on offense that we should be able to take advantage of. I also love the attitude he's been playign with. He's never been this way, but sorry if i'm not going to be a believer in it after 5 games after what i've seen from him for the last 7 years.

He's in a contract year, and wants that extension. Somebody else needs to give it to him, not us.

The roster is what it is for now.

Fears looked so much better against the kings. I know it is the kings. With DJM and Poole out, he seemed so much more relaxed.

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The dude is averaging 3.1 steals a game this year

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Leading the NBA in steals per game, no less. Dyson is #2.

I wonder if this board still thinks Fears is Kira Lewis

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I’m sick of all these 5’8 white guys with finance degrees

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I love this! I’m literally a 5’8” white guy with a finance degree who loves this team and thinks Jeremiah Fears was a great pick. He will have growing pains, but he shows great potential and will be a player for the Pels to build around. He was great in the preseason, bad in the first 4 games and great in the last 2. Such is the life of a 2nd year 20 year old NBA player. Enjoy the ride and be excited that our 1st round picks are showing something to at least look forward to in the future.