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re: Ingram is going to coast a crap year and ask for trade
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:02 am to Jnola
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:02 am to Jnola
A couple trades I could think of:
Nets: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Dinwiddie, DFS, picks
Raptors: Ingram, Kira, Naji
Pels: GTJ, Boucher, Dick, 2 picks
Hornets: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Hayward, Williams and all their picks
Knicks: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Barrett, Robinson, 3 picks
(This is my favorite, gives us more ammo and more picks for a trade for Embiid or some other big star that asks out)
Pistons: Ingram, Kira, Naji
Pels: Harris, Ivey, Burks Morris or Hayes their choice, 1 pick
It may seem like not enough to alot of people, but thats how much value I think Ingram has lost, I think teams are starting to realize he’s not a winning player.
Nets: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Dinwiddie, DFS, picks
Raptors: Ingram, Kira, Naji
Pels: GTJ, Boucher, Dick, 2 picks
Hornets: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Hayward, Williams and all their picks
Knicks: Ingram, Kira
Pels: Barrett, Robinson, 3 picks
(This is my favorite, gives us more ammo and more picks for a trade for Embiid or some other big star that asks out)
Pistons: Ingram, Kira, Naji
Pels: Harris, Ivey, Burks Morris or Hayes their choice, 1 pick
It may seem like not enough to alot of people, but thats how much value I think Ingram has lost, I think teams are starting to realize he’s not a winning player.
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:07 am to Soggymoss
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thats how much value I think Ingram has lost, I think teams are starting to realize he’s not a winning player.
This is an overly pessimistic view from Pels fans seeing a bad fit. I do think his lingering injury issues have hurt his value some, but I don't think his on court value has really declined. And if he manages to stay relatively healthy between now and the trade deadline, I think the injury concerns lessen.
Does OKC have anything they could assemble that would look like a winning trade for the Pels? Because OKC is a team with a lot of assets that doesn't really have a player like Ingram.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 6:11 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:15 am to TigerinATL
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Does OKC have anything they could assemble that would look like a winning trade for the Pels? Because OKC is a team with a lot of assets that doesn't really have a player like Ingram.
Looking through their roster, I just don’t see what they could send us, unless they would be willing to part with Chet or Giddey.
I know SGA would be offlimits, Bertans and Dort work salary wise with a shitload of picks, but I think that would be about the best we could do from them since they would want their young guys off limits.
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but I don't think his on court value has really declined.
I do. He hasn’t even attempted to play defense, his offense is midranges and turnovers, and he just looks like he couldn’t give two shits whether his team wins or loses as long as he gets the majority of the shots. It’s been like that for going on three seasons now.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 6:18 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 6:17 am to Soggymoss
They have a lot of picks, I wonder what kind of 3way they could build. I really hope we don't wind up with Ingram for KAT. I know the offensive fit on paper is fantastic, I just worry about the defensive side.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 6:19 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:04 am to Chad504boy
I know his body language is always seemingly uninspired but it seems even moreso right and perhaps more genuine now. I can't help but wonder if he still hasn't gotten over last year when everyone - fans, teammates and front office thought he should have been playing four weeks before he finally did last year?
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:08 am to Soggymoss
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Offer him a 4/125 extension, if he declines start shopping him.
That is on par with what Dejounte Murray got (4/120), and seems like it should be about Ingram’s value.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:12 am to Tiger Ugly
The back and forth on Ingram here is amazing. A couple bad games, he's toast and needs to be flipped for anything we can get. A couple good ones, he's a megastar that deserves the supermax. I never seen such a hot and cold player.
I don't think he gets moved this season. Maybe in the offseason, when we flip the front office..
I don't think he gets moved this season. Maybe in the offseason, when we flip the front office..
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:18 am to brmark70816
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The back and forth on Ingram here is amazing.
He's missed 30 games plus the last two years and the way he's started this year I would not be surprised if he does again this year.
Whether you think it's because of legit injuries or not that's a problem and a recurring one.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:24 am to brmark70816
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The back and forth on Ingram here is amazing
Since this offseason I’ve been firmly in the trade Ingram boat. I seen enough the last 4 years to see and know he’s maxed out and he’s not a winning player.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:49 am to brmark70816
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The back and forth on Ingram here is amazing. A couple bad games, he's toast and needs to be flipped for anything we can get. A couple good ones, he's a megastar that deserves the supermax. I never seen such a hot and cold player.
I don't think he gets moved this season. Maybe in the offseason, when we flip the front office..
Idk how you can watch this team and think BI is a fit. We don't need our 2nd star dribbling around and taking pull up midrange shots when we have zion on this team.
BI used to fit with Zion when he was taking 6 3s a game and hitting them but he straight up quit taking them.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:53 am to Balsamic_duck
Why is it that Ingram seems to be hurt more, less effective, and less engaged when Zion is playing?
I think there's something there. Either he doesn't like Zion, doesn't like the focus he gets, or whatever.
The Pels problem is their two best players are mentally and physically fragile. You can't keep Zion and Ingram. One has to go.
Zion has more potential and plays a more efficient game so Ingram is the odd man out.
His game is to 90s. He's Demar Derozan light. That's not a winning formula.
When he shoots 3s and distributes he's very good. Problem is he always reverts back to stupid mid range shots that just aren't good shots most of the time.
I think there's something there. Either he doesn't like Zion, doesn't like the focus he gets, or whatever.
The Pels problem is their two best players are mentally and physically fragile. You can't keep Zion and Ingram. One has to go.
Zion has more potential and plays a more efficient game so Ingram is the odd man out.
His game is to 90s. He's Demar Derozan light. That's not a winning formula.
When he shoots 3s and distributes he's very good. Problem is he always reverts back to stupid mid range shots that just aren't good shots most of the time.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:54 am to brmark70816
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The back and forth on Ingram here is amazing. A couple bad games, he's toast and needs to be flipped for anything we can get. A couple good ones, he's a megastar that deserves the supermax. I never seen such a hot and cold player.
You aren't wrong, but it looks like he and Zion don't fit, schematically. The Pels seem better when one is off the floor and the other is facilitating to shooters. This may be recency bias or whatever, but it doesn't sound crazy to move off of one and BI may make more sense.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:59 am to ghost2most
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Why is it that Ingram seems to be hurt more, less effective, and less engaged when Zion is playing?
I think there's something there. Either he doesn't like Zion, doesn't like the focus he gets, or whatever.
The Pels problem is their two best players are mentally and physically fragile. You can't keep Zion and Ingram. One has to go.
Zion has more potential and plays a more efficient game so Ingram is the odd man out.
His game is to 90s. He's Demar Derozan light. That's not a winning formula.
When he shoots 3s and distributes he's very good. Problem is he always reverts back to stupid mid range shots that just aren't good shots most of the time.
Because Ingram HATES playing off ball. I don't think he hates Zion. He just always wants the ball in his hands and only wants to play HIS way.
He refuses to move around off ball and space for others.
He takes the most inefficient shot in basketball.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:10 am to Balsamic_duck
If the benching on the summer USA team wasn't an eye opener for BI, i don't think he'll ever change.
He plays lazy piss poor defense, especially off the ball. That's why he was benched. Everyone else on that team gave a shite, and BI plays defense as if its a pickup game and he's just there to take it easy. His defender routinely cuts back door on him, and grabs rebounds while BI just stands still.
That's exactly what we are seeing from him this year, and it's been a common theme with him his whole career.
I'm tired of it.
I think we need to find a way to get Zach Lavine. I don't think the Bulls will want BI back, but i bet NYK would want him.
BI to Knicks
Lavine to Pels
RJ Barrett and Fournier to Bulls
obviously many picks will move too, but that's the base.
And we would end up being a tax team in that scenario, and we shouldnt' care.
He plays lazy piss poor defense, especially off the ball. That's why he was benched. Everyone else on that team gave a shite, and BI plays defense as if its a pickup game and he's just there to take it easy. His defender routinely cuts back door on him, and grabs rebounds while BI just stands still.
That's exactly what we are seeing from him this year, and it's been a common theme with him his whole career.
I'm tired of it.
I think we need to find a way to get Zach Lavine. I don't think the Bulls will want BI back, but i bet NYK would want him.
BI to Knicks
Lavine to Pels
RJ Barrett and Fournier to Bulls
obviously many picks will move too, but that's the base.
And we would end up being a tax team in that scenario, and we shouldnt' care.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:24 am to TeddyPadillac
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BI needs to play great to get his max extension. He doesn’t play great, he will lose a ton of money.
and even with all of this being an incentive for him to come out with great effort, playing in as many games as possible to get his states, etc... look at he's started this season... and that with the incentive to make a shite ton of money, betting on himself... what would you expect would happen if he would achieve that milestone and no longer has that incentive... hell, he may just straight up injure himself on purpose at home to avoid playing while still getting paid, and you'll never see him play another game!
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:26 am to MrBarry
Problem with Lavin imo, is that he has a bum knee, and you know what will happen the minute he comes here.
Also, he feels redundant with CJ.
Also, he feels redundant with CJ.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 8:32 am to ghost2most
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Problem with Lavin imo, is that he has a bum knee, and you know what will happen the minute he comes here.
Also, he feels redundant with CJ.
Yeah im not taking Lavine on that contract with his knees. Especially when we still have CJ.
a CJ and Lavine backcourt would be the worst defensive backcourt in the league.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:02 am to Balsamic_duck
Lavine is 10x's the defender BI is.
He'll be playing on Team USA this offseason b/c of his defense, as well as his 3 point shooting.
Lavine's contract situation is better than BI's.
Games missed
2023 - 5
2022 - 15
2021 - 14
2020 - 12
2019 - 19
65 games missed over the last 5 years.
We would only be so lucky to have our star player only miss 65 games over a 5 year span. We have a hard enough time getting our two to accomplish that in 1 year, much less 5.
So a guy that hits open 3's at an elite rate and can create his own shot when needed feels redundant, while also being an average at worst defender?
He's exactly what BI is not, and what this team needs around Zion. He's going to shoot 3's and get to the rim, and do it at an elite level. He's going to play good enough team defense, and actually give a shite.
He'll be playing on Team USA this offseason b/c of his defense, as well as his 3 point shooting.
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Yeah im not taking Lavine on that contract with his knees
Lavine's contract situation is better than BI's.
Games missed
2023 - 5
2022 - 15
2021 - 14
2020 - 12
2019 - 19
65 games missed over the last 5 years.
We would only be so lucky to have our star player only miss 65 games over a 5 year span. We have a hard enough time getting our two to accomplish that in 1 year, much less 5.
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Also, he feels redundant with CJ.
So a guy that hits open 3's at an elite rate and can create his own shot when needed feels redundant, while also being an average at worst defender?
He's exactly what BI is not, and what this team needs around Zion. He's going to shoot 3's and get to the rim, and do it at an elite level. He's going to play good enough team defense, and actually give a shite.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:08 am to MrBarry
Trying to think of some combo with with BI and JV going to the Pacers, maybe Hield going to OKC, Pels get Turner and take on Bertrans, maybe get Nembhard as a throw in, and multiple picks coming in from OKC and Indy.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:10 am to Fun Bunch
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picks coming in from OKC
OKC and picks only go one way. The war chest never empties.
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