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re: Ingram is going to coast a crap year and ask for trade
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:13 am to SLafourche07
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:13 am to SLafourche07
At some point they have too many to use. That time is now. They can keep pushing them into the future, but they have so many they send us 3 and it barely scratch the surface of their warchest
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Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
I can't wait until around 2030 when OKC owns 150 first round picks over the next 5 years.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:15 am to Fun Bunch
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Trying to think of some combo with with BI and JV going to the Pacers, maybe Hield going to OKC, Pels get Turner and take on Bertrans, maybe get Nembhard as a throw in, and multiple picks coming in from OKC and Indy.
Give me Hield, Turner and 1-2 firsts and im happy. Then turn hield and those 1sts into OG.
CJ
OG
Trey
Zion
Turner
That's a damn contender
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
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At some point they have too many to use. That time is now. They can keep pushing them into the future, but they have so many they send us 3 and it barely scratch the surface of their warchest
They have like 9 in the next 3 years. I guess they could trade up but they have to use them.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:18 am to higgsBoson
Right. The whole point of acquiring all of those picks isn't to use them all on rookies.
its to be flexible and have firepower. Its if you need it for a trade, or to unload a player, or to move up in the draft. And they can keep kicking them down the road if they want, but they pretty much have to use a few soon.
its to be flexible and have firepower. Its if you need it for a trade, or to unload a player, or to move up in the draft. And they can keep kicking them down the road if they want, but they pretty much have to use a few soon.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 9:24 am to WicKed WayZ
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What could we even get for BI at this point? He’s a bad fit on most modern NBA teams
I think he still has value especially to a team who wants a volume scorer to fill seats or to go with other pieces. But it’ll be hard to get fair value because teams know he wants max and I doubt many will want to pay it
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:07 am to MrBarry
quote:So BI is a ball stopper who is always injured who doesn't do anything when he doesn't have the ball in his hands and doesn't play defense, so we should go and get Lavine?
I think we need to find a way to get Zach Lavine.
Ask a Bulls fan...my best friend is a Bulls fan, he tells me all the same shite every day about Lavine defensively that we hear on this board about BI. They're the same dude on defense.
They're also the same dude in terms of ball stoppers and only really good with the ball in their hands. Lavine doesn't pass as well but is a better scorer.
If we trade BI, that type of player is the last thing we need. Same ish with Herro, why trade BI for another overpaid player. If you're not getting a player of good value, then trade him for high end role players and/or expirings and picks.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:15 am to shel311
This team without BI
CJ/Jose
Trey/Hawkins/Ryan
Herb/Dyson
Zion/
JV/Larry
Not the perfect position slotting, but those are the guys that should be getting minutes and roughly the order they should be getting them. What is that team missing? Seems like the holes are more at big and not on the perimeter.
CJ/Jose
Trey/Hawkins/Ryan
Herb/Dyson
Zion/
JV/Larry
Not the perfect position slotting, but those are the guys that should be getting minutes and roughly the order they should be getting them. What is that team missing? Seems like the holes are more at big and not on the perimeter.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:17 am to MrBarry
quote:He's a ball stopper, just like BI.
He's exactly what BI is not,
ALso, if the Bulls move Lavine they are rebuilding..they have legit zero incentive to trade for BI.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:30 am to shel311
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ALso, if the Bulls move Lavine they are rebuilding..they have legit zero incentive to trade for BI.
It'd be moving BI to a 3rd team and getting in return assets. Imagine a team like say Indy trying to improve their SF position and moving Mathurin to Chicago
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:48 am to htran90
One thing everyone needs to think of in a BI trade is Trey would be sliding into his starting spot, so Lavine and these other higher tier guys that would demand a starting role wouldn’t be what we need/want.
IMO we would absolutely win the press conference if we get two high level bench players that shoot 3’s and multiple picks. We end up with more picks to keep replenishing talent and/or to trade for a megastar.
OG wouldn’t be realistic because he will want to much money and a starting spot. I think we could talk RJ into being a super 6th man for us which is why Knicks are my favorite to trade with, either doing Rj and Quickley for Ingram and Naji/Kira, or add JV and take back Robinson also for a pick less.
We could potentially have:
CJ/Quickley/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Dyson
Trey/Barrett/Naji
Zion/Ryan/Liddell
Robinson/Nance/Zeller
Gets us out if the tax and we can convert Ryan to a full deal.
IMO we would absolutely win the press conference if we get two high level bench players that shoot 3’s and multiple picks. We end up with more picks to keep replenishing talent and/or to trade for a megastar.
OG wouldn’t be realistic because he will want to much money and a starting spot. I think we could talk RJ into being a super 6th man for us which is why Knicks are my favorite to trade with, either doing Rj and Quickley for Ingram and Naji/Kira, or add JV and take back Robinson also for a pick less.
We could potentially have:
CJ/Quickley/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Dyson
Trey/Barrett/Naji
Zion/Ryan/Liddell
Robinson/Nance/Zeller
Gets us out if the tax and we can convert Ryan to a full deal.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:52 am to TigerinATL
quote:
This team without BI
CJ/Jose
Trey/Hawkins/Ryan
Herb/Dyson
Zion/
JV/Larry
Not the perfect position slotting, but those are the guys that should be getting minutes and roughly the order they should be getting them. What is that team missing? Seems like the holes are more at big and not on the perimeter.
Yeah we have glaring holes at the 5 and backup 4.
Larry has not been good so far and that's flown under the radar and JV is still bad on D.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:08 am to James Woods
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This is Ingram’s 8th season, he is what he is at this point.
At some point, with a player like BI...you MUST just look at the numbers. For his career...
0-3' 66.8%
3-10' 38.4%
10-16' 44.5%
16-3pt line 43.6%
3-pt shot 36.3%
efg% (career) 50.9% & ts% 55.8%
Herb can't shoot a lick...but we are actually better off with Herb shooting a 3 at 33.3% (career) than we are with BI shooting ANY midrange shot from 3' all the way out to the 3-pt line. That's kinda scary to even think about.
BTW: Herb's career efg% is 52.6% & ts% is 57.2% (before last night)
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:14 am to Balsamic_duck
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Larry has not been good so far and that's flown under the radar and JV is still bad on D.
Gafford from Washington. Currently in his 1st year of a 3/40mil. Solid defensive center (truly defensive with the size).
Anunoby from Toronto. He has 1 more year left (PO) so he's going to turn it down to get PAID.
Washington could use more assets, they're horrible and have 0 'young potential'. They're expensive assets like Kuzma & Poole. Could they be interested in a guy like BI and help us out by rerouting those picks to Toronto to build a war chest?
Raptors have a great opportunity to reset, build around Barnes who has took a HUGE leap so far. They can move on from Siakam (29). It is also WILD to me that GTJ is only 24. Barnes is 22. OG is 26. If they don't intend on payign OG, this is a perfect time to get into it and let Barnes be the guy.
Other option:
Capela from Atlanta
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:15 am to TigerinATL
quote:
This is an overly pessimistic view from Pels fans seeing a bad fit.
I agree with this. Just because we as pelicans fans see that maybe he’s not the best fit doesn’t mean that teams won’t want Ingram. He is still a good basketball player
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:21 am to Balsamic_duck
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And you’re leaving off dyson
Oh shite wow I did. It’s because I originally listed them by position and had Dys in there and then because I realized how much position overlap we had I decided to list them like that and forgot Dyson
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:21 am to htran90
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Gafford from Washington. Currently in his 1st year of a 3/40mil. Solid defensive center (truly defensive with the size).
I'd see if i can turn larry into Gafford. Larry has been really bad. At least JV can give you some offense.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:47 am to Balsamic_duck
I think the Pels have solid perimeter players right now. I would look at shoring up the front court, adding more rotation shooters, and picks for the future.
It does start to look bad as BI doesn’t creat any action in the offense other than his iso ball.
It does start to look bad as BI doesn’t creat any action in the offense other than his iso ball.
This post was edited on 11/7/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/7/23 at 12:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Because Ingram HATES playing off ball. I don't think he hates Zion. He just always wants the ball in his hands and only wants to play HIS way.
This...whether or not he hates Zion and/or Zion hates him I have no idea, and it's really irrelevant as players that hate each other in the NBA can be successful (see Kobe/Shaq or Wilt/Jerry West).
But as you say what he really hates is that Zion takes away his touches and he absolutely does not like that. If seen it when he bristles about it in interviews when asks - even once I heard him say it wasn't going to affect what he does on the court or take from his opportunities.
Now that is relevant and more concerning than them not liking each other.
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:21 pm to shel311
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ALso, if the Bulls move Lavine they are rebuilding...they have legit zero incentive to trade for BI.
yeah that's kind of the point. It's why i said BI would go to the Knicks, not the Bulls.
Lonzo is done, the Vucevic trade wasn't worth it or his contract, DeRozan is bolting this offseason for nothing, and Lavine is unhappy. They are starting off shitty this year and the writing is on the wall to make some drastic changes.
I'd be fine with trading with the Pacers to get back Turner and Mathurin. I have no idea why anyone would want Hield back. He's a terrible defender and i'd rather Hawkins playing than Hield. If they send Hield instead of Mathurin, then i want back 4 firsts and they need to find a landing spot for JV while getting us under the tax.
We should be able to get Turner/Mathurin, a 26th 1st, and maybe a 28th first as well from them for BI.
And i'd send JV to OKC for Bertans and a their Denver 1st in 2027 if we got Turner/Mathurin. Bertans still has one more year, but i'm ok with that as i'd want his expiring contract if we are going to collect 3 more future firsts. OKC doesn't have a big man on their roster.
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