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re: Ingram contract questions for the board
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:44 pm to New City Champ
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:44 pm to New City Champ
You forgot that Brown plays defence.
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:12 pm to Aussie_Pelican
And Brown's contract is aso contentious.
Ask yourself this. Would thr Celtics trade brown for BI? Hell no.
Wild the Pels? Probably not but you'd at least have to think about it.
Ask yourself this. Would thr Celtics trade brown for BI? Hell no.
Wild the Pels? Probably not but you'd at least have to think about it.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:18 pm to Aussie_Pelican
Brown is a fairly shotty defender that takes a lot of chances. He’s also a 1.5 assist to turnover guy, and last year was 1.2. And most importantly, he’s a SUPER max contract.
BI is on a max contract right now. Does anyone really believe that is a negative value contract?
BI is on a max contract right now. Does anyone really believe that is a negative value contract?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:25 pm to PELsu
quote:Right now? No, it's fine.
BI is on a max contract right now. Does anyone really believe that is a negative value contract?
The next contract, yes, it will absolutely be negative value much like Beal and more so Lavine.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
I really like BI. Actually one of my all time favorite Pels, but he ain't worth the max. You're going to have to give it to him because if you don't someone else will, but it will be an overpay.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:52 pm to iwyLSUiwy
He’s worth and on a max right now, he’s entering his prime. The numbers are only higher moving forward because the cap is increasing. Everyone understands how that works right?
Beal is on a super max. And both Beal and Lavine’s biggest issues have been injuries.
Beal is on a super max. And both Beal and Lavine’s biggest issues have been injuries.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:53 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:If someone else values him that much, then you can trade him to that someone else for assets in return, so you don't have to give it to him.
You're going to have to give it to him because if you don't someone else will
Posted on 2/6/24 at 2:56 pm to PELsu
quote:This is not correct. His next max will be higher than his current max. And I don't mean just dollar value, I mean % of cap.
The numbers are only higher moving forward because the cap is increasing. Everyone understands how that works right?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:01 pm to shel311
quote:
This is not correct. His next max will be higher than his current max. And I don't mean just dollar value, I mean % of cap.
Ok, that’s fair. 30% vs 25% right?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:03 pm to PELsu
quote:Correct
Ok, that’s fair. 30% vs 25% right?
Basically, as I understand it...rookie max extension is 25% unless you hit those kickers like All NBA(not sure what all of the criteria is) then it hits 30%
2nd extension is 30% unless you hit the kickers then it's 35%
In BI's case, it'll go from 25% to 30% since he hasn't/won't hit any of the kickers.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:03 pm to PELsu
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And both Beal and Lavine’s biggest issues have been injuries.
And the fact that they don't impact the game enough consistently as a number one guy to have a significant impact on winning at high level.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:07 pm to ThePistol
quote:Correct
And the fact that they don't impact the game enough consistently as a number one guy to have a significant impact on winning at high level.
Beal may not be the best comparison since he got the All NBA kicker to get to 35% I believe, but it's still not a bad comparison.
Lavine is probably the better comparison. I'd argue at the very worst, peak Lavine is on par with peak BI though I think Lavine is a decent amount better.
No one wants to touch the Lavine contract, and it's not just because he's not healthy. He's been rumored in trades all year. And all the pods I listen to, the Zach Lowes and Windhorsts of the world have beaten the same drum all year, Chicago wants to move him but no one is remotely interested.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:59 pm to PELsu
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BI is on a max contract right now. Does anyone really believe that is a negative value contract?
A 25% contract valuation would be fine. A continuation of his current contract, with 8% raises each year should probably be the "max" that he gets paid. He's the 32nd highest paid player this season, and before any contracts are signed for next season he is the 28th paid player next season, those are probably fair, if not a little high. If he were paid 30% in 25/26 he would be around the 19th highest paid player, which yes that would be an over pay. There is no way that BI is the 20th best player in the NBA.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:34 pm to PELsu
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BI will get a max and should get a max. He would get more if max contracts were not a thing. He thankfully can not get a super max, and his contract will be very much in line with the player as the salary cap increases.
I could not disagree more.
The way you’re talking about him is like he’s a top 20 player. He’s not even close to that.
He’s not even an all star caliber player. He made one all-star game 4 years ago as a replacement.
He chose not to sign an extension this past summer to he could try to make an All-nba team and get a super max. Which is hilarious because he isn’t even good enough to be an all star
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:43 pm to PELsu
quote:
he numbers are only higher moving forward because the cap is increasing. Everyone understands how that works right?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 5:51 pm to New City Champ
Brown isn't worth the supermax either.
However Tatum is better than zion.
Kp, white, holiday, horford
While our next 4 are McCollum, Jones, Valanciunas, and Murphy..
However Tatum is better than zion.
Kp, white, holiday, horford
While our next 4 are McCollum, Jones, Valanciunas, and Murphy..
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:30 pm to htran90
quote:
be kd elite in both series
This is an unreasonable standard. KD has been underpaid for most of his career, even at the max.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:52 pm to PELsu
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PELsu
Don't waste your time. These guys will get the Asik/Aminu combo our fans deserve.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:01 pm to htran90
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Brown isn't worth the supermax either. However Tatum is better than zion.
Yea the Celtics signing brown is just a fundamentally different question. Tatum plus Brown has proven itself to be a top of the conference, brink of a title duo. You over pay if need be to keep that in place.
BI/Zion haven’t don’t better than the play-in. There is no reason currently to think those two can win big together so don’t lock them in long term.
So the answer to the question is really Zion showing he is ready to be a top 10 player for the rest of his contract term. If Zion does that, sure let’s over pay ingram to keep a competitive duo in place.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:43 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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KD has been underpaid for most of his career, even at the max.
The only people who you should ever pay a max contract to are those who are underpaid when paid the max. Everyone else should make below max, which I think we will start seeing soon, look at Kawhi’s new contract.
ETA: paying Beal the same as Curry is how you turn an asset into a liability
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 8:59 pm
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