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re: I'm not sure how this team improves via trade
Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:39 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:39 pm to Dantheman504
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Apparently this year CJ is playing too well to bash, so he’s moved on to Nance.
Dumb
You’re right; your idea to trade Nance is dumb as well. Thanks for pointing that out.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 6:40 pm
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:23 pm to MrBarry
That doesn't work salary wise.
It would have to be:
Kira, Zeller and a future first for Sharpe, Lonnie Walker and Dennis Smith.
Gets the Pel's under the tax.
They get a C for the future, get a few offensive guys (who are expirings) for the second unit which they don't have minus Trey.
I don't count Hawkins as Willie doesn't play him.
Depth chart
CJ/Jose/Smith
Herb/Dyson/Hawkins/Seabron*
BI/Trey/Walker/Ryan*
Zion/Naji/Liddell
JV/Nance/Sharpe/Robinson Earl*
*2 way
It would have to be:
Kira, Zeller and a future first for Sharpe, Lonnie Walker and Dennis Smith.
Gets the Pel's under the tax.
They get a C for the future, get a few offensive guys (who are expirings) for the second unit which they don't have minus Trey.
I don't count Hawkins as Willie doesn't play him.
Depth chart
CJ/Jose/Smith
Herb/Dyson/Hawkins/Seabron*
BI/Trey/Walker/Ryan*
Zion/Naji/Liddell
JV/Nance/Sharpe/Robinson Earl*
*2 way
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:27 pm to Aussie_Pelican
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It would have to be: Kira, Zeller and a future first for Sharpe, Lonnie Walker and Dennis Smith. Gets the Pel's under the tax. They get a C for the future, get a few offensive guys (who are expirings) for the second unit which they don't have minus Trey.
Sharpe has been solid. But I don’t see the point in trading a first to get a backup big and get under the tax. I just don’t see Sharpe making that big of an impact that we waste a first to get him.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
This years first will be in the 20's and no space on the roster next year. Unless the Pel's find a team that will take cash, I can't see how they offload Kira without adding a first.
Unless ofcourse they make a big splash by using one of their main guys, but I doubt it.
Unless ofcourse they make a big splash by using one of their main guys, but I doubt it.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:49 pm to MrBarry
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what do you deem an overpay?
Hawkins, 24 lottery protected 1st, and the worst of the Lakers/Pels 25 1st?
I would say that's an overpay, but it's probably what it takes.
I don't think that's an overpay at all for a young, already proven center. Maybe 1 out 10 centers taken in the first round pan out. Both Kessler and Williams have panned out spectacularly and have room to improve. I think there is no chance Ainge would take that offer, and I'm skeptical that Charlotte would.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:16 pm to mhasen1
I don’t think either team wants picks from us.
They’d probably be more interested in us getting a better player for them using Hawkins and the two firsts.
And we can send 24 protected 1st with Kira to the Nets for Sharpe, and get back their 2nd this year and 2 more future 2nds.
And a straight up Kira for Sharpe salary wise puts us around $500k under the tax. Add EJ to it and sign Matt Ryan.
They’d probably be more interested in us getting a better player for them using Hawkins and the two firsts.
And we can send 24 protected 1st with Kira to the Nets for Sharpe, and get back their 2nd this year and 2 more future 2nds.
And a straight up Kira for Sharpe salary wise puts us around $500k under the tax. Add EJ to it and sign Matt Ryan.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:02 pm to MrBarry
quote:Have no problem with that, but Sharpe is likely not a JV replacement, but a bench player. They may look for a JV replacement, but if a deal does not come, offer him a 1-2 year extension.
A simple move of Kira/EJ for Day'Ron Sharpe makes sense, and gets us under the tax.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:29 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Zion for Lauri + Olynyk is my dream trade. Gets us out of the tax, and we don't have to bend over backwards to build a team around Zion
Blows my mind everytime I see a Zion for Lauri thread now lol.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 1:23 am to whatiknowsofar
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I wouldn't trade anyone on the team except the bench kids. No starter is available save Val.
Ingram is having a career year.
CJ is having a career year.
Zion is slowly, very slowly, getting better.
If this core is healthy in April we will be the team no one wants to play. We're deeper than a lot of teams.
If December 2022 Zion is playing in April we're making the WCF at minimum
That's how I'm feeling... All we need is a stout, defensive minded big that can switch but is primarily on the court to give resistance to Embiid, Jokic, Porzingas, etc... Who that is?? Idk. But I know it is NOT Jarrett Allen.
Keep JV bc he can at least match half of the scoring output of those bigs and at least 1-2 games in a series has the ability to supercede. Keep Larry if he holds up to the deadline like he is now.
Any trade worthwhile WILL include Dyson, so don't go getting overly excited about his future in N.O. He's the odd man out.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 3:23 am to Ijuschill1
Allen could play that role well enough, but he probably won't be available now. Okongwu is the Center I'm most interested in. Would take a slight overpay since he's young and on a great, new contract. And is he ready to be a starter and is he a big enough upgrade over JV or Nance? He would be really fun as a young, switchable, strong rebounder, rim-protector, developing a 3-pt shot from the corners.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:19 am to Aussie_Pelican
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This years first will be in the 20's and no space on the roster next year. Unless the Pel's find a team that will take cash, I can't see how they offload Kira without adding a first.
Unless ofcourse they make a big splash by using one of their main guys, but I doubt it.
It doesn't take a 1st to dump an expiring 5.7m. Most of the contract will have already been paid by the pels. It'll just take a 2nd and some cash
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:54 am to Balsamic_duck
Remember that by the trade deadline, we would have paid most of Kira’s annual salary. We should be able to kick in cash for the rest. If we take back a smaller salary, we could presumably save the other team money.
I am sure they will want a second just cause. But it should not take much to do.
I am sure they will want a second just cause. But it should not take much to do.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:16 am to Balsamic_duck
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It doesn't take a 1st to dump an expiring 5.7m. Most of the contract will have already been paid by the pels. It'll just take a 2nd and some cash
Here are our second round picks we own.
2024 - which is going to be 50 or worst, so rather worthless
2030
I'm ok dumping a protected first if we get back a decent backup player, and then 2-3 second round picks, or a high 2nd round pick.
Detroit is sending their 2nd to Toronto, but they own Washington or Memphis' 2nd, whichever one is better.
Kira and lottery protected 24 1st for Isiah Livers and that Washington/Memphis 2nd and their 2025 2nd.
Can do the same with Toronto, as they are going to be shipping Siakam out. Get in that deal and bring back Koloko, send Toronto the 2024 1st and Kira and get back Detroits 2024 2nd.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:36 am to MrBarry
Sending out any kind of 1st to get off of a contract we could have chosen to not have this season would be very on brand for how Griff has handled some of these 1st round picks.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:49 am to shel311
Read an article by Shamit I think that suggested Carter, but maybe trying to get him to pair with JV instead of replacing him. Could something like Nance, Kira, EJ, cash and a protected 1st get him? I love Larry, but he is 31 and not the poster boy of availability either. Carter is still young and on a nice deal.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:52 am to shel311
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Sending out any kind of 1st to get off of a contract we could have chosen to not have this season would be very on brand for how Griff has handled some of these 1st round picks.
The only use of this so called war-chest of picks by Griffin is basically to clean his own mistakes.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:53 am to NOSHAU
quote:I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I imagine someone would put up a better offer for WCJ.
Read an article by Shamit I think that suggested Carter, but maybe trying to get him to pair with JV instead of replacing him. Could something like Nance, Kira, EJ, cash and a protected 1st get him? I love Larry, but he is 31 and not the poster boy of availability either. Carter is still young and on a nice deal.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:02 am to NOSHAU
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Read an article by Shamit I think that suggested Carter, but maybe trying to get him to pair with JV instead of replacing him. Could something like Nance, Kira, EJ, cash and a protected 1st get him? I love Larry, but he is 31 and not the poster boy of availability either. Carter is still young and on a nice deal.
I read that too. That's a deal that i would love. WCJ is injury prone but so is nance. WCJ can shoot better and is on a fantastic contract.
I'm not 100% sure but i think that would still put us in the tax after signing 2 minimum guys to get to the necessary 14 rostered players but this is a move im willing to go into the tax for.
Sign JRE and Matt Ryan after this move and the roster looks like this
CJ/Jose/Dyson
Herb/Naji/Hawkins
BI/Trey/Matt Ryan
Zion/JRE
JV/WCJ/Zeller
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:04 am to NOSHAU
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Read an article by Shamit I think that suggested Carter,
Is he really an upgrade over JV?
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Carter’s issues have never been on the offensive end of the floor. But, he is at the forefront of one of Orlando’s biggest deficiencies which is protecting the rim and contesting shots around the basket.
Wendell Carter is already a good offensive center. He is a double-double machine with a sneaky three-pointer. But, his defense keeps him from becoming great. If it gets improved, it will not only help himself but also the Orlando Magic.
As a team, the Magic ranked 15th in team defense as they were in the middle of the road in the majority of stat categories. Orlando ranked sixth in the league giving up 47.6 points in the paint per game. Teams found it difficult to get to the basket against them.
But when they did, they were able to score. According to data from Second Spectrum, the Magic gave up 68.4 percent shooting at the rim, the fourth-worst mark in the league.
Carter despite some solid defensive statistics, struggled in this area too. The centers on the team in general need to become more of an anchor with this issue and Carter’s defense is a start that will not only benefit him but also his team.
Carter did get a good portion of blocks amongst the Magic players (he had 21.2 percent of all of Orlando’s blocks). Keep in mind, that this was also on a team that was average in the block department with blocks per game (15th overall in the league).
The spot on defense where Carter seemingly is exposed is the points in the paint he allows. In each game during the 2023 season, he gave up an average of 29.6 points in the paint to opponents per game. This is the highest mark he has given up in a season so far in his NBA career.
I'm not even going to entertain the idea of Wendell Carter Jr and JV playing together, or the two of them being our only guys on the roster that can play the 5.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:08 am to MrBarry
In the grand scheme of things, it's a lateral move that won't move the needle.
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