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re: I'm not sure how this team improves via trade
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:28 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:28 pm to Dantheman504
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Larry is a 4/5
No he is not.
Larry plays the 5 for us. He's shared the court with JV for a grand total of 10 minutes this year, meaning he's played the 4 for 10 minutes in 15 games.
Last year they shared the court for 70 minutes, in 50 games together.
They have averaged basically 1 minute per game together.
Larry has played the 4 for us for 4% of the total minutes he's played for us.
Stop saying Larry is a backup 4 for us.
quote:
We need a backup 4
I agree.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:35 pm to MrBarry
quote:
Larry plays the 5 for us. He's shared the court with JV for a grand total of 10 minutes this year, meaning he's played the 4 for 10 minutes in 15 games. Last year they shared the court for 70 minutes, in 50 games together. They have averaged basically 1 minute per game together. Larry has played the 4 for us for 4% of the total minutes he's played for us.
I don’t know how you do it but I appreciate you pulling these stats out. You feel validated in an argument when you see this and even if I’m wrong the stats gives a nice perspective of what’s really going on.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:50 pm to MrBarry
quote:
No he is not.
Larry plays the 5 for us.
I agree, but ... the main reason that Larry does not play with Jonas is that it leaves us without enough shooting.
AD has talked about how much Larry has worked on his 3-pt shot while he was out, and since returning to the lineup six games ago, he's 4-7 from deep.
If Larry can become a consistent 3-pt shooter for us, even at low volume, then it makes the idea of playing him at PF a little less crazy.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:52 pm to Pels_Yaz
Y’all are not helping the argument by decreasing our need for Nance…. If this is the case then the trade for Olynyk to get under the tax makes MORE sense.
“No Nance isn’t a 4, he’s an aging undersized 5 with injury history”
Nothing changes the scenario
“No Nance isn’t a 4, he’s an aging undersized 5 with injury history”
Nothing changes the scenario
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:00 pm to Dantheman504
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“No Nance isn’t a 4, he’s an aging undersized 5 with injury history”
I would argue that when healthy Nance is a versatile veteran big especially defensively who is locker room leader and great communicator on the court.
You keep calling Larry old. You do realize Larry and JV are the same age right? You do realize Olynyk is 32- older than Nance right? I’m really not sure what you’re saying here.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:00 pm to Dantheman504
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“No Nance isn’t a 4, he’s an aging undersized 5 with injury history”
He's a backup 5.
You are wanting to trade one backup 5, who we know when healthy is really good for us, for another backup 5 who's an expiring contract.
What's the point of that?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
If Larry continues playing how he has been, then he is a legit backup switchable 5
That is a MASSIVE playoff asset that we would be wise to not take for granted
That is a MASSIVE playoff asset that we would be wise to not take for granted
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:07 pm to MrBarry
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You are wanting to trade one backup 5, who we know when healthy is really good for us, for another backup 5 who's an expiring contract. What's the point of that?
1. Olynyk has more size and is a true 5 with a shot.
2. He’s expiring so that’s an extra 10mil next year
3. It gets us under the tax
4. We get to try more lineups with players in our future plan
5. We don’t lose anything from doing it
5 reasons for y’all to just say “no I want to keep him” and argue every point I make.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:08 pm to Dantheman504
Any other reason is simply because y’all think he means THAT much to our success or future success which is ridiculous and not worth arguing against.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:11 pm to Dantheman504
That’s it. It’s that simple. We may even keep him, I’m not saying we won’t. It’s pointless. The original point was that you trade him > Val 10/10 times.
The main point is that y’all are putting way too much effort in trying to hold onto a 10mil player that isn’t even our top 6 rotation player anymore instead of not giving a shite until we get what we need.
The main point is that y’all are putting way too much effort in trying to hold onto a 10mil player that isn’t even our top 6 rotation player anymore instead of not giving a shite until we get what we need.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:15 pm to Dantheman504
quote:What do you do at center next season if we trade Nance and Val takes more money elsewhere?
That’s it. It’s that simple. We may even keep him, I’m not saying we won’t. It’s pointless. The original point was that you trade him > Val 10/10 times.
The main point is that y’all are putting way too much effort in trying to hold onto a 10mil player that isn’t even our top 6 rotation player anymore instead of not giving a shite until we get what we need.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:16 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
1. Olynyk has more size and is a true 5 with a shot. 2. He’s expiring so that’s an extra 10mil next year 3. It gets us under the tax 4. We get to try more lineups with players in our future plan 5. We don’t lose anything from doing it
1. Hes taller and a better shooter- yes.
2. Not really concerned about next year- not trading Nance to save money for next year.
3. Seems like an issue for Gayle. You could also trade Kira to get under tax.
4. Nance is not stopping us from playing Trey or Hawkins. Guys like Naji and Dyson are.
5. We lose a guy who is a leader on our team and has been a big factor in all our wins lately.
Anything else seems like you’re making stuff up to ship out Nance. Logically the upgrade isn’t significant enough to just dump him.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:31 pm to Dantheman504
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Y’all are not helping the argument by decreasing our need for Nance…. If this is the case then the trade for Olynyk to get under the tax makes MORE sense.
“No Nance isn’t a 4, he’s an aging undersized 5 with injury history”
I don't care. Your argument is abysmally bad. Arguing that we should trade Larry tells me that you probably haven't watched much Pelicans basketball this year. I don't know why anyone is wasting their time arguing with you on that.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
I’m arguing that trading Nance is minimal and the most helpful/ leaves us with the smallest hole to fill.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:42 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
I’m arguing that trading Nance is minimal and the most helpful/ leaves us with the smallest hole to fill.
Yeah. I know.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:43 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
. Olynyk has more size and is a true 5 with a shot.
2. He’s expiring so that’s an extra 10mil next year
3. It gets us under the tax
4. We get to try more lineups with players in our future plan
5. We don’t lose anything from doing it
5 reasons for y’all to just say “no I want to keep him” and argue every point I make.
F#ck the tax.
I'm all for getting Olynyk, even for a half season rental. But it can be done without giving up Nance or Naji. Kira, EJ, and Cody work money wise. If Utah isn't planning to resign him, the value for Utah is in the draft compensation anyway.
1 extra playoff series can make up the difference in the missed payment to non tax teams. 2 extra series and paying the tax is likely cash flow positive.
Getting Williams or Kessler would be fantastic since they can act as a rotation piece now and core player in the future, but I don't believe they are attainable without a crazy overpay.
With Trey where he is, I like the idea of moving Ingram in a big trade. But there is nobody seemingly avaliable who is more valuable than Ingram, much less Ingram and our pick chest.
Unless a true superstar becomes available in the next month, the best move should be adding around the edges. Having Jonas and Nance shouldn't stop us from adding another good big if available. Boston already had a crowded backcourt when they added Derrick White, but he still was able to make a huge difference. Pelicans should take the same approach. And if the tax line is a hard cap for them this year, then they're not really serious about competing anyway.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:45 pm to Pels_Yaz
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don’t understand why your so insistent in getting rid of Nance this season.
Apparently this year CJ is playing too well to bash, so he’s moved on to Nance. The problem is the posters inability to realize that the best version of this Pels team we have seen the last few years definitely involves a healthy Nance and his extremely high defensive IQ and physical ability to switch positions 1 to 5
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:47 pm to Dantheman504
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I’m arguing that trading Nance is minimal and the most helpful/ leaves us with the smallest hole to fill.
So you want us to trade away a guy for no reason, and then try to fill the hole he left next year in free agency while we will once again be a team up against the tax?
Do you hear yourself?
Did Larry sleep with your girl or something? You seem to have a large disdain for him for some reason.
I have no problem trading Larry. I understand what he means to the team on the court and off, but his injury history gets on my nerves.
He is such a good player for us when healthy though.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:50 pm to Dantheman504
quote:You literally admitted it would mean inserting Zeller into the rotation.
I’m arguing that trading Nance is minimal and the most helpful/ leaves us with the smallest hole to fill.
There's no world where that's "minimal"
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:55 pm to shel311
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