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re: If Burke falls to 6, do you think Monty/Dell will take him?

Posted on 5/27/13 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by BarbaricPelican
LaPlace
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 7:13 pm to
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You take Burke and move on. BPA, IMO.


You said it. Your opinion. Who's to say if CJ shows he does grade as a PG that he is BPA at 6?
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:02 pm to
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I really have been down on Shabaaz, but maybe they think they can do something with him


Shabaaz has fallen out of the lottery picks on many mock drafts i've been looking at today. perhaps they do as Gyno said and trade with utah? get two picks, get Bazz with one and maybe find a decent C like Gobert at 21?
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 8:03 pm
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:31 pm to
I'm still not sold on anyone in the draft at this point. I'm honestly kind of hoping from same draft night magic from Dell to work out an awesome trade for us.

I think you have to go Burke though, or at least PG, if the scenario works out the way you presented it
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:36 pm to
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get two picks, get Bazz with one and maybe find a decent C like Gobert at 21?


For this team, Im going to say getting 2 picks like that would be more valuable than the 1 pick at 6.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:38 pm to
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For this team, Im going to say getting 2 picks like that would be more valuable than the 1 pick at 6.

I completely agree with you. Two solid players and it leaves you with the money to still get a starting SF in FA and possibly make a trade for Bledsoe
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74444 posts
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:44 pm to
The thing is, a team like Utah may want to keep the two picks. There 2 best players (Jefferson and Milsap) are gone. So it really depends what direction they go. They do have a nice young 4some of Hayward, Favors, Kanter and Burks. They will be a bit of a wildcard. Some mocks have them taking Schroeder so it may be known that they covet a PG
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:47 am to
This is an ESPN Insider article, so I can only see the first part but:

quote:

On Friday, I took the train up to Westbury to get a closer look at his two main competitors for the title of best point guard in the draft: Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams and Lehigh's C.J. McCollum.

...Some NBA teams rank Carter-Williams or McCollum as the No. 1 point guard in the class.


LINK
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:26 am to
Basically, Ford says that Carter-Williams obviously has great size, but also has great court vision, tight handles, good athleticism, etc. After watching the workout, he believes his outside shooting just needs tweaking. His shot isn't "broken". The kid is a nightmare to opposing teams on defense and on offense he can finish at the rim.

With McCollum, Ford says he probably is the best scoring guard in the draft. A good rebounder.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74444 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:03 am to
McCollum is so damn intriguing. He's going to be legit. If we don't want him someone is going to be trying to get him

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While Carter-Williams may have the best floor vision of any guard in the draft, McCollum could be the best scoring guard. McCollum averaged 19.1 PPG as a freshman, 21.8 PPG as a sophomore, 21.9 PPG as a junior and was averaging 23.9 PPG as a senior before breaking his foot in late January. AP Photo/Keith Srakocic Scouts know McCollum can score, but can he be an NBA distributor? McCollum made a name for himself as a junior by ranking third in the country in PER and by torching Duke in the 2012 NCAA tournament (30 points, six rebounds and six assists). McCollum is equally comfortable shooting the midrange jump shot and getting to the basket. Thirty-two percent of his shots were at the rim this year and he shot 54 percent. Another 34 percent of his shots were 2-point jumpers and he shot 49 percent. The other 34 percent were 3-pointers, and he shot a sizzling 52 percent from beyond the arc. In the workout I saw, McCollum showed that he won't have any issues with the deeper NBA 3-point line. He shot roughly 70 percent from the NBA 3 in drills I saw. He has an effortless stroke. While his 3-point percentages were often inconsistent during his career, it likely has more to do with the quality of shots he got at Lehigh than his stroke. McCollum is also an excellent rebounder for a guard, picks up steals, and is a willing passer. While he isn't the same sort of athlete that Carter-Williams is, he measured a good 38.5 max vertical jump and was a little above average on the speed drills. However, his foot might still be holding him back a little bit. While it's now 100 percent healthy and he's free to do full workouts, he's been cleared for only a few weeks and is still getting back into elite shape. While the foot looked great (he was cutting well and exploding off the floor for 360-degree dunks), I expect both his quickness and his explosion to improve over the next few months. The biggest question teams are asking is whether McCollum is a point guard. He wasn't asked to play the position at Lehigh and never averaged more than 3.5 assists in a season. Of course, people asked the same question of Damian Lillard. Lillard never averaged more than four assists during his career at Weber State but averaged 6.5 assists his rookie year with Portland. That will be tough to show in a workout setting. So teams are trying other methods. McCollum told me that one team he interviewed with at the draft combine pulled out a deck of cards and asked him to select five cards. After he selected them, the team rep gave him 10 seconds to look at and memorize the cards – number, color and suite. Forty minutes later, when the interview was over, they asked him to recite all the cards. McCollum told me he remembered all of them. The team responded, "Maybe you are smart enough to play point guard in the NBA." If he can convince teams that he's a real point guard or that his ability to score transcends position, I see him going somewhere between No. 5 and 10 in this year's draft.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:15 am to
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McCollum told me that one team he interviewed with at the draft combine pulled out a deck of cards and asked him to select five cards. After he selected them, the team rep gave him 10 seconds to look at and memorize the cards – number, color and suite. Forty minutes later, when the interview was over, they asked him to recite all the cards. McCollum told me he remembered all of them. The team responded, "Maybe you are smart enough to play point guard in the NBA."


WTF? Good Memory = Court Vision?
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
6132 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:31 am to
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The team responded, "Maybe you are smart enough to play point guard in the NBA."

Damn that's some cold wording. It's like they thought this dude was a dumb frick or something.
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35405 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 12:14 pm to
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McCollum is so damn intriguing. He's going to be legit.


Welcome aboard bruh.

I fell for him when he shredded Duke two years ago.

quote:

He shot roughly 70 percent from the NBA 3 in drills I saw. He has an effortless stroke




Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22229 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 1:41 pm to
For whatever its worth:
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Sources say the Pelicans like Burke because he has the potential to get them in their offensive sets quicker and he could provide more versatility in their backcourt that could include starting point guard Greivis Vasquez playing off the ball. nola.com
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
13188 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:40 pm to
I would be ecstatic if we got Trey Burke...But what about Austin Rivers
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104023 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:42 pm to
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I would be ecstatic if we got Trey Burke...But what about Austin Rivers


He better start learning to play the 2 or be content with a 6th Man position.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22229 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 2:45 pm to
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He better start learning to play the 2 or be content with a 6th Man position.
If Rivers is good enough to be a legit 6th man at some point next year that would be a HUGE win for us.

Right now he's not even a rotation guy on a good team. He's got a loooooooong way to go.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41250 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 3:29 pm to
Whatever TTT shoots 70% nightly with people guarding him at the 3 point line.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 3:32 pm to
I'd rather MCW than Burke just for the possibilty of length on the perimter and he can gives us some different looks.

A three guard back court of EG,GV and MCW would be intriguing to me. We could shift those guys all over to cause match up problems. Big 3s would give us fits, but a small ball lineup would be scary with Anderson and Davis out there.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 5:20 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104023 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 3:39 pm to
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Big 3s would give us fits, but a small ball lineup would be scary with Anderson and Davis out there.


Define a "big 3".

About half the teams I checked out had a starting 3 who was 6'8" or larger.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13283 posts
Posted on 5/28/13 at 3:54 pm to
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Define a "big 3".

About half the teams I checked out had a starting 3 who was 6'8" or larger.


6'8 is considered prototypical while 6'10+ would be considered big.
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