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I'd like to see Zion work on a pump fake and baby jump hook
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:37 pm
I think two simple things could take Zion's game to another level.
1. Learn to pump fake. Zion gets the ball and just goes full tilt now. He's either taking it all the way to the rack at full speed or kicking it out.
I'd like to see him at times stop in the lane, pump fake, and use his body to create separation and an easier layup. Will also create more and 1s as opponents jump into him and he can finish through the contact.
2. A jump hook. With his width, it would be really tough to block. He can get into the lane at will. Use that big arse and hip to separate and use that soft touch on a baby hook. It's a high percentage shot that won't put as much stress on his body as constantly going left at full speed and ending up on the ground half the time.
1. Learn to pump fake. Zion gets the ball and just goes full tilt now. He's either taking it all the way to the rack at full speed or kicking it out.
I'd like to see him at times stop in the lane, pump fake, and use his body to create separation and an easier layup. Will also create more and 1s as opponents jump into him and he can finish through the contact.
2. A jump hook. With his width, it would be really tough to block. He can get into the lane at will. Use that big arse and hip to separate and use that soft touch on a baby hook. It's a high percentage shot that won't put as much stress on his body as constantly going left at full speed and ending up on the ground half the time.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:45 pm to ghost2most
agree.
I said as much re hook before each of the last two seasons.
some summer he will be healthy and learn some basics. jump hook. a 2 hand
set shot from deep.
a usual form jumper from mid range.
key word is jump.
my intuition is that he's not encouraged to do jumping in practice.
yet.
I said as much re hook before each of the last two seasons.
some summer he will be healthy and learn some basics. jump hook. a 2 hand
set shot from deep.
a usual form jumper from mid range.
key word is jump.
my intuition is that he's not encouraged to do jumping in practice.
yet.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:51 pm to ghost2most
Pump faking against 3-4 guys usually ends up with a blocked shot. This is probably why he always goes fast and quick.
A hook shot sounds good in theory but in practice, it's much more difficult since teams will always bring a backside defender to pick off the ball or double. He generally doesn't have the time to post up for too long before the help arrives.
A hook shot sounds good in theory but in practice, it's much more difficult since teams will always bring a backside defender to pick off the ball or double. He generally doesn't have the time to post up for too long before the help arrives.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:59 pm to supe12sta12z
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A hook shot sounds good in theory but in practice, it's much more difficult since teams will always bring a backside defender to pick off the ball or double. He generally doesn't have the time to post up for too long before the help arrives.
He doesn't need to post up. Take that stupid dribble hand off at the elbow and drive horizontally into the paint. If the D collapses, kick it out.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:13 pm to ghost2most
His speed, power, and finishing skill are his elite skills. I have no problem with him plowing his way into the lane every time.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:35 pm to CelticDog
His leap for the missed put-back last night was pretty fricking high. Maybe it was my imagination but it seemed much higher than normal as if he usually isn’t going all out on the bounce yet.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 3:55 pm to Camp Randall
He’s had several leaps on offense and defense the last 3 games that show near pre injuries Zion type bounce.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:06 pm to CelticDog
“Learn some basics”
Zion is a skilled offensive player, it’s just not the antiquated skills you cherish, Dr Naismith
Zion is a skilled offensive player, it’s just not the antiquated skills you cherish, Dr Naismith
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:11 pm to ghost2most
Refs last night would have called every pump fake a travel
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:15 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I didn't even notice until today but on the SGA charge on Herb at the end of the game, Zion went up incredibly high to block the would be shot. . LINK
He’s had several leaps on offense and defense the last 3 games that show near pre injuries Zion type bounce.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:04 am to ghost2most
People who are saying what he is doing now is fine are not seeing what is being said. The way he plays right now is fine, he is a freak so his play style works. But, he could be even better if he added just a bit of craft to his game. Imagine if he did his spin move and pump faked, the whole defense is jumping, and then it’s an AND-1. Imagine he drives and as the whole defense is running back to the rim and playing off he just stopped and did a little 6ft floater. Well now you can’t just run backwards every time and he’ll just blow by you now. Evolving his game will only make his bully ball even better.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:27 am to rondonumbanine
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The way he plays right now is fine
It's not just fine, it's elite.
quote:
he could be even better if he added just a bit of craft to his game.
Don't disagree, but at this point adding the things you mention after this quote will come with time. He just got healthy and in shape enough to play. He can work on some things during the season, then when he gets one full offseason of health in he'll work on the stuff you were talking about.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:54 am to whatiknowsofar
No doubt, I do not think it’s DEFCON 3 and he needs to all this now. I am just trying to say it’s silly to say he doesn’t need to work on these things. What he does rn is elite, you are correct. I am just saying he could be even more elite, which is insane. That being said you are correct it doesn’t need to come now.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:57 am to whatiknowsofar
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He just got healthy and in shape enough to play. He can work on some things during the season, then when he gets one full offseason of health in he'll work on the stuff you were talking about.
its going to be interesting to learn who he's working out with this off season.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:54 am to CelticDog
Magic Johnson on line 1...
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:23 pm to ghost2most
I agree with the OP and would add that some increased confidence in a 12-15 foot pull-up Jumper would also help. To those who are calling these things old fashioned or saying Zion is already doing fine with his slash and go moves are, I suggest, missing the point of the OP. Zion does NOT need to abandon what he is doing now. Instead, the additions to his repertoire would just be options that would make him even harder to defend. E.g., Zion gets the ball on the right wing, left hand dribble drives hard middle only to find a wall of defenders. Imagine if he could occasionally spin right and drop a (wide open) little baby hook? He would be unguardable and likely get more calls because defenders--who already cannot stay in front of him--would frequently be in awful position. The pull up J would not typically draw fouls but would punish those few teams who can effectively wall him out of the paint AND would allow Zion to score some points without working so hard. Think of these additions as the sprinkles and his existing slash/let hand finish game as the ice cream (perhaps another metaphor is better but you get the idea).
Posted on 11/30/22 at 2:30 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
I don't know how some of you call yourselves fans and yet not know that he has a lot of these things you're whining about.
Did you not see his spin move late in the OKC game to give us the lead the other night? He pulls it out from time to time when the opportunity calls for it.
You seriously never seen a pump fake from Z before? Watch his 19-20 tape. It's there. There's good reason why he doesn't go for it regularly. You just choose to ignore it.
Did you not see his spin move late in the OKC game to give us the lead the other night? He pulls it out from time to time when the opportunity calls for it.
You seriously never seen a pump fake from Z before? Watch his 19-20 tape. It's there. There's good reason why he doesn't go for it regularly. You just choose to ignore it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 5:00 pm to supe12sta12z
"Did you not see his spin move late in the OKC game to give us the lead the other night?"
Zion uses the spin pretty frequently. I missed it if someone said he didn't. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't include some other things - the right handed baby hook and pull up J are the two I most want to see. As far as up fakes, that was more the OP than me, but my take on those is that they are great when used judiciously but can also draw a crowd. Up fakes on the perimeter only work if you occasionally take - and make - the open J.
Zion uses the spin pretty frequently. I missed it if someone said he didn't. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't include some other things - the right handed baby hook and pull up J are the two I most want to see. As far as up fakes, that was more the OP than me, but my take on those is that they are great when used judiciously but can also draw a crowd. Up fakes on the perimeter only work if you occasionally take - and make - the open J.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 6:10 pm to ghost2most
I’d like him with on a jump shot before he starts trying to do any other shots.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:14 pm to Stamps74
32 points on 15 shots, 80% from the field, 8-10 from the line. This doesn’t happen shooting jump shots and baby hooks
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