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bonethug0180
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I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
yet even when he's out we still give it up. And our defense sucks with him out. But yeah let's keep blaming the guy that keeps people out of the paint and helps seal defenders for Zion to work in the paint, because Jax ain't at that level and Willy damn sure isn't.


armsdealer
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Adams idea of offense is to sit under the basket staring at it waiting to get the rebound. Does he get the rebound? NO, he pretends like he is playing girls volleyball and swats the ball giving the Pels a 50/50 shot at getting it.

I would love Adams, for way less money and NOT the primary center. Bring him in for Embiid, otherwise lets get someone who can not put us in a 4 on 5 on offense every trip down the court.


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3PieceSpicy
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Adams wouldn’t have helped tonight. The Warriors are one of the worst matchups in the league for him. Also, keep in mind when you compare Adams to Billy, one is making 30 mil this year and the other is making 1 mil and the one making 1 million is decisively better offensively and only slightly worse defensively. And when you compare Adams to Hayes. Hayes is making 3-4 times less, in his second season, and blows Adams out of the water in FG%, FT%,, being a legit fast break finisher and a vertical spacer, in addition to being a better defender than Adams by nearly every metric.

Adams is garbage and he serves serves zero on court purpose. If you objectively went through a list of every center in the entire league and judged them strictly based off of on court performance, I’m not sure Adams would be in the top 30-35 centers in the league, despite currently being paid like he is a top 5 center.


saintsfan92612
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
I think Adams may be one of the bigger mistakes this franchise has made... right up there with Solo's contract, signing Asik and Ajinca to big contracts right after hiring a coach who loves to play small ball...etc.


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TigerinATL
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
When Adams has been banged up, which has been most of the year, he hasn't been significantly better than Billy.

There also are 2 things that Adams brought to start the season that had a value which no longer fits. Before point Zion when this team didn't really have a point guard, Adams was acting as a dribble hand off offensive hub. It was a turnover prone offense so I understand why it went away, but the team just doesn't need it now like it did the first several weeks.

Similarly Adams was good at screening and getting the ball to a mobile shooter like JJ, who we no longer have. So 2 of the better things Adams brings to the table now have no place on this team on top of him being banged up most of the season leading to him playing at a lower than expected level.

Hopefully Griff will be able to use him in a good trade like Demps eventually did with Asik, but right now that extension is not looking good. If Adams wasn't on the team would you want to use $17 million in cap space to add him this offseason? Maybe on a one year deal if no other options panned out, but you wouldn't give him 2/$34.

That extension was made to justify the high price Griff paid to acquire him, not to save the Pels future money. It was throwing good money after bad, and until Griff finds a trade to undo it, it's going to be viewed as a mistake.
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duyp
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Agreed. Plus he was our best defender in April. His contract at 17 million after this year is not bad. Especially for 2 years in which Hayes should be prime enough to start. It’s not hard to trade a contract like Adams. Also he is a great mentor to guys like Hayes and Hermangomez
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BowDownToLSU
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
He has the worst hands in the league. If Bi, Ball for example drive he can’t catch a simple dump pass, fumbles it 9 out of ten Willy is way more effective


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shel311
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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yet even when he's out we still give it up. And our defense sucks with him out. But yeah let's keep blaming the guy that keeps people out of the paint and helps seal defenders for Zion to work in the paint, because Jax ain't at that level and Willy damn sure isn't.

Offense is the bigger issue for him.

Defense is much better when he's on the court. Offense is much better when he's off the court.

Overall, the team is slightly worse when he is on the court, which isn't exactly ideal for a dude we're paying $28mil this season. Willy has a better on/off and Jax slightly worse, so point being, we could have been mediocre at the center position for really cheap with Willy/Jax as opposed to mediocre at the center position for $28mil.


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3PieceSpicy
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Man Adams sits for 4 games, 3 of which Billy dominates and I feel like some of yall are already forgetting how bad he is. Adams is a minimum contract guy at this point. Some are really jumping through some serious hoops to justify the 3yr 65 mil we are paying him when he can’t defend more than half the centers in the league, can’t switch onto any 3 or below in the league, shoots 40% from the line, and is very iffy finishing around the basket.

I’m sure he’s a great guy that’s decent in the locker room and maybe he’s helped Jaxson, but he surely hasn’t helped us win and he will not help us win moving forward.
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shel311
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Man, I really thought the Jrue trade was just the ultimate swindling of a team in the Bucks with how much they gave us.

But the negative assets that Bledsoe and Adams are, especially with his extension, really offset the value we got in draft assets.

Obviously it all depends on where some of those draft picks down the line will fall, but the 2 players we got back and their contracts are really, really bad for us right now.

We would have been infinitely better off getting Adams but not resigning him and letting his salary come off the books, then keeping George Hill instead of Bledsoe. We've all been screaming all year that Bled shouldn't be playing and getting our youngsters reps, well an injured Hill would have accomplished just that, and I think he only has like $1mil of his salary guaranteed next season, so if I understand it, he'll come off teh books 1 year before Bled.

Instead of having Adams/Hill both come off the books this offseason, which would be awesome, we now have 2 more years of Adams and 1 more of Bledsoe. Completely trainwreck there, and a few of us called it in the moment.


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duyp
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
I’m not trying to justify it. But I can see why we picked up Adams. We lost Favors and needed a replacement while Hayes develop. 17 million was a great value for a small market team and for a starter. The things he excels at is rebounding and setting screens. I thought he will be here to do the dirty work, keep zion clean and set hard screens. But it seems like that’s not the case. However his contract isn’t that bad to where it can not be traded to another team who might look for those things.

The Bledsoe trade was a big oof on Griffin part though. I wish we had Hill over Bledsoe. But maybe the picks can be something valuable. We did justice for Jrue when he wanted to be traded and also saved ourselves from giving him that huge contract and letting him go for nothing.


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duyp
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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Instead of having Adams/Hill both come off the books this offseason, which would be awesome, we now have 2 more years of Adams and 1 more of Bledsoe. Completely trainwreck there, and a few of us called it in the moment.


Agreed. I rather have grab Mitchell Robinson this off-season than extending Adams honestly. But it’s not a complete train wreck yet. Griffin and Langdon is going to have a busy off season.


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TigerinATL
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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then keeping George Hill instead of Bledsoe


Bledsoe had more years and made twice as much money as Hill. Swapping Bledsoe for Hill in the trade was never an option, it would have cost the Pels and extra 1st to do that.


TeddyPadillac
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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but he surely hasn’t helped us win and he will not help us win moving forward.



that's just simply not true.
I'm not arguing we overpaid for him, twice, but don't sit here and say he hasn't helped us win. He's the reason we beat the Bucks and the 76ers just off the top of my head.


Our ORTG is higher with him on, but the DRTG is pretty much the same level worst with him on. His NetRtg is -0.4 which is pretty negligible.
we are a better OREB, DREB and Total rebounding team with him on.

He has a positive 1.9 net rating when playing with the starters, and 1.8 net rating when NAW replaces Lonzo in that lineup and a positive 13.8 net rating with Hart replaces Zion in the starting lineup. That's the 3 most played lineups for Adams, making up over 50% of his playing time on the year.



I have no problem moving him in the offseason if we can bring in a significant upgrade at the 5 position that works with Zion better. I also think that if you replace Lonzo and Bledsoe with guys that can shoot the 3 and defend the perimeter better, then you'll see a more useful Adams. The person he has the highest net rating with as a 2 man combo was JJ, at a good bit more than everyone else on the team and JJ didn't even have play that good for most of the season.


Macintosh504
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
People fail to realize we play better with Adams than without. I think we can all ageee hes not one of the better centers in the league but the hate he gets on here as if he’s one of the main reasons we suck is moronic


Townedrunkard
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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If Adams wasn't on the team would you want to use $17 million in cap space to add him this offseason? Maybe on a one year deal if no other options panned out, but you wouldn't give him 2/$34. That extension was made to justify the high price Griff paid to acquire him, not to save the Pels future money. It was throwing good money after bad, and until Griff finds a trade to undo it, it's going to be viewed as a mistake.


I said this multiple times in his trade thread. Most of you argued with me that he would get 12-13 a year and when it was announced that he would get 17.5, I was told that was still a good deal for a ‘ top 5-10’ center.

Griff didn’t lean anything from Dells mistakes. Like I said, he should have went with someone cheap on a one year deal and remained flexible. Same shite Dell did choosing to resign Asik on that stupid contract instead of letting him walk.

No arguing now, everyone knows it was a massive overpay in trade value and on the contract given. Many cheap options were out there for a one year.
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shel311
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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People fail to realize we play better with Adams than without.
Factually, we don't.

I know net rating isn't always the end all, but factually we are better when he's off the court this season compared to when he's on the court.

Couple that with his $28mil plus 2 additional extension years with I assume a min salary that Willy is and Jax being cheap with his salary slot, i think it's rather obvious a Willy/Jax combo is an infinitely better value than Adams and either as a backup.


NOSHAU
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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Bledsoe had more years and made twice as much money as Hill. Swapping Bledsoe for Hill in the trade was never an option, it would have cost the Pels and extra 1st to do that.


Don't buy that at all. We had the leverage as OKC was looking to dump Adams. Griff was just too infatuated with Adams to think logically.


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NOSHAU
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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yet even when he's out we still give it up. And our defense sucks with him out. But yeah let's keep blaming the guy that keeps people out of the paint and helps seal defenders for Zion to work in the paint, because Jax ain't at that level and Willy damn sure isn't.

Hard to compare his defense when Hernangomez if the replacement. He guards no one. I am not sure I have seen a worse defender at the 5 than Hernangomez.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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Factually, we don't.

I know net rating isn't always the end all, but factually we are better when he's off the court this season compared to when he's on the court.



is this your opinion, or do you have factual things to back this up?
Or are you counting his -0.4 net rating as we are better with him off the court?

I mean i showed you that he's a net positive on the court with the starters. And just b/c i say that he's a positive on the court, doesn't mean i am satisfied with him at the 5, b/c i'm not. And just b/c i'd like to upgrade him, i am not giving up assets to move him just to move him, unless it's a 2nd round pick or something rather worthless. same with Bledsoe.


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