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shel311
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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is this your opinion, or do you have factual things to back this up?
Or are you counting his -0.4 net rating as we are better with him off the court?
If his net rating is negative, we are factually better when he is off the court.

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I mean i showed you that he's a net positive on the court with the starters
Sure, and not all his minutes are with starters only, so that only carries so much relevance. Not sure why you'd just ignore any minutes that aren't all starter minutes.

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htran90
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Some of yal forget the Greg stiemsma era.

That's what would happen with willy all year.

Adams and his cost/contract won't cripple this team and the way the numbers 2/34 work, it'll be needed to move him for a bigger piece.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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If his net rating is negative, we are factually better when he is off the court.




I'd say the same thing if his net rating was a positive 0.4, that it's pretty negligible.


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Sure, and not all his minutes are with starters only, so that only carries so much relevance. Not sure why you'd just ignore any minutes that aren't all starter minutes.



b/c i'm showing you that maybe his role is better served playing less minutes, mainly with the starters. A good coach finds ways to maximize the personnel he has. Maybe Steven Adams doesn't need to be playing 28mpg.


3PieceSpicy
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
Man, it’s really cool that we have to be careful and mindful about how many minutes we play our 27 yr old center that’s making 30 mil this year lol. And god forbid we ask our highest paid player on the team to help anchor a bench unit for 5 minutes a game.


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TigerinATL
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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god forbid we ask our highest paid player on the team to help anchor a bench unit for 5 minutes a game.




Assuming Jaxson is ready for a starting role at some point next season I've wondered if Adams could be similar to Chicago Asik in a bench role. The games where Adams has a match up advantage he's been dominant. Would he be dominant more often against bench bigs?


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TeddyPadillac
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
stop comparing his production to his salary this year. We didn't give him that contract. We gave him $17M/yr for the next 2 years. The only player on this team anyone should ever compare production to salary to is BI, and Adams next year.


You need to look at Adams salary lumped in with Jaxson, same with Bledsoe and Kira. Both of those older guys seem to have a positive affect on and off the court for those young guys, and right now for this team, that is what is important. We aren't signing some big name FA's anytime soon, so what the hell is the point of complaining about our players salaries? If they are tradeable without giving up real assets, then their salary is just fine.

I said it when Horford was a FA, that we should have gone after him. You overpay him and you hope that he eventually turns Jaxson into a quality starter by year 3. If Jaxson can't be our starter at some point next year or year 4, then that was a bust of a pick, but i have no problem overpaying for a veteran that plays his arse off and helps our young guys progress and succeed.
Right now is not the time to bitch about salaries. In 3 years, yes we should be dissecting every salary we have.
If you haven't noticed, we don't have anyone on the books when Zion is ready for his max other than BI and rookies, and i would bet it will stay like that in every offseason until then. We aren't going sign anyone in this offseason to anything more than 2 years b/c i'm sure we are trying to keep our books as clean as possible when Zion gets his max so we can try to maximize that offseason, which by then hopefully we are making some noise in the postseason.
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shel311
Nicholls St. Fan
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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b/c i'm showing you that maybe his role is better served playing less minutes, mainly with the starters. A good coach finds ways to maximize the personnel he has. Maybe Steven Adams doesn't need to be playing 28mpg.

And yet we're paying that guy $28mil thsi season and gave him an extension for 2 more years at $17mil.

That's basically proving my point. When you're paying a guy that much and the argument is that maybe he should play a good bit less, that's not a good thing, at all.


Chalkywhite84
New Orleans Saints Fan
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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That's basically proving my point. When you're paying a guy that much and the argument is that maybe he should play a good bit less, that's not a good thing, at all.


I don't see how anyone can debate it at this point.

I didn't mind the trade when it happened since i thought he would be great for the culture and toughness.

Adams is just an olddd 28. Dude has like a 32yr old body.


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NOSHAU
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re: I keep hearing Adams is a huge issue with us giving up the 3...
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stop comparing his production to his salary this year. We didn't give him that contract. We gave him $17M/yr for the next 2 years. The only player on this team anyone should ever compare production to salary to is BI, and Adams next year.
That is a ridiculous take. We traded a 1st and 2 2nds for the right to pay him that $30 million this year and extend him for 2 years/$35 million. You cannot cherry pick the parts of that deal that you think are not as bad.


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