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re: How do we "complete" this team without a trade?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
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I'm curious about Duren in Detroit and wonder if that's Griff's fall back.
Yeah, I know we keep talking about how we don’t have a center on the roster yet, but Griff definitely has options already lined up if his main plain doesn’t work out, and he has already told teams give him until XX date to try to work out other things, and if it doesn’t happen then he will make the trade.
Whether that’s Kessler, Duren, Richards or some other low cost center, he has something lined up, just a matter of time to pull the trigger if a BI trade doesn’t happen.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:16 am to LSU4Life123
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Can we stop pretending Jose is a plus perimeter defender? Dude gets exposed by any guard with legit size/skill.
I obviously acknowledge him being able to steal the ball(which does create value), but his perimeter defense is trash quite frankly.
He had the best defensive rating on the team last year (12th overall in the NBA) during the regular season.
He was also the 6th best Net Rating in the NBA during the regular season. Boston had the top 4 guys and 7 of the top 12
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:32 am to Mickey Goldmill
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He was also the 6th best Net Rating in the NBA during the regular season.
All he does is get steals and take charges and plays great help defense. Total liability!
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:47 am to LSU4Life123
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but his perimeter defense is trash quite frank
I don't think the word "trash" applies to anything Jose does on the court.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:25 am to Dantheman504
Jose is one of our winning players.
Dude straight up turns games around.
There are winning players like Herb, Jose, TJ McKinley, etc., and then there are stat whores (BI, jerami Grant, Kuzma, etc.)
Dude straight up turns games around.
There are winning players like Herb, Jose, TJ McKinley, etc., and then there are stat whores (BI, jerami Grant, Kuzma, etc.)
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:35 am to ghost2most
This can be true and he can still be far below average at perimeter defense specifically.
Sometimes the “eye test” tells more of the story from purely a perimeter defensive perspective than his 1-2 steals a game skewing his defensive rating.
Sometimes the “eye test” tells more of the story from purely a perimeter defensive perspective than his 1-2 steals a game skewing his defensive rating.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:37 am to LSU4Life123
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Can we stop pretending Jose is a plus perimeter defender? Dude gets exposed by any guard with legit size/skill.
Legit size sure. Skill has nothing to do with it.
Yeah he's not goign to be the best individual defender against guys that are 6'6" 200lbs, but he can handle just about any backup PG in the league and excel defensively, which he has always done.
Herb is not going to do that great against 6'11" 240lb guys either.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:39 am to TeddyPadillac
Go take a look at the average size of a point guard in the modern NBA and come back to me with this take.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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Let's say for the sake of argument, we do not trade BI or CJ before the season.
We do not trade multiple picks for anyone.
How do we finish out this roster, with our salary constraints and players available?
You would get an incomplete cause you can't finish the roster. This is what's so mind boggling.
Did Griffin not prepare for this scenario? Seems like he had no backup plan to Jarrett allen. Once they hired Atkinson he can in and nixed what altmann wanted ro do.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:03 pm to Soggymoss
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The best FA center options to have a 15 mpg time eater imo would be one of:
Demarcus Cousins
Tristan Thompson
Bol Bol
Eater is definitely the right word.
I can't believe you typed this out with a straight face.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:04 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Did Griffin not prepare for this scenario?
It's absurd to think he doesn't have a contingency plan. This guy typically has contingencies on contingencies. His problem is he often is blinded by his optimism bias and will hold out for Plan A and wind up getting Plan G when Plan A goes bust. That's how we wound up with Devonte Graham.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
So what do you think his plan a, b, and c are?
I just hope he didn't sit on other centers by waiting on a bi trade for a center.
I just hope he didn't sit on other centers by waiting on a bi trade for a center.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:13 pm to LSU4Life123
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Go take a look at the average size of a point guard in the modern NBA and come back to me with this take.
You do know that Jose is a backup PG right? He's not on the team to defend SGA and Harden.
There were 101 players 6'4" or smaller that played this past year in at least 38 games.
You think every team has 6'6" backup PG's?
there are tons of backup SG's who are 6'4" and under.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:32 pm to Chalkywhite84
I thought Drummond would have been great as far as not making any trades. He was so cheap too, none of the FA C’s available are actual starters.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:37 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Drummond is probably even more immobile than Val and can't shoot for shite. Willie would hate him.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:40 pm to ghost2most
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Jose is one of our winning players.
In the regular season? Yes
He's borderline unplayable in the playoffs. OKC hunted him
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
That's going to be the case with a lot of backups. They're going to be matchup dependent in the playoffs. And their playing time will be determined by their effectiveness.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:51 pm to supe12sta12z
We also have a pretty small sample size of how our roster plays in the playoffs.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:55 pm to Soggymoss
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The best FA center options to have a 15 mpg time eater imo would be one of: Demarcus Cousins Tristan Thompson Bol Bol
I think javale McGee is still floating around out there. Think I’d rather him than some of your choices, and he’s definitely taking the vet min.
And I agree, could do a lot worse than a heavily protected first for Duren. He won’t be finishing games so it doesn’t matter.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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OKC hunted him
Pretty sure the stats show that CJ was the one being hunted. Don’t remember for sure, but iirc the thunder shot like 75% when guarded by CJ and BI and like 20-30% when guarded by Herb and Trey. Don’t think Jose’s defensive matchup stats were substantial on the good or bad side
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