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re: Hornets to get Ariza in 4-way trade

Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by TunaTigers
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:13 pm to
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Okafor's still a Top 10 center.


No, he is not.
Posted by MrPappagiorgio
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:13 pm to
Sign Rafer to back up CP3
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:14 pm to
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way more important to get rid of Posey at this point than Okafor.

why?

quote:

someone will trade for him at some point,

DEFINITELY no guarantee of this
Posted by YatTigah
Lakeview, New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2010
517 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:14 pm to
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sigh. im tired of all these "get better now to screw ourselves later" deals


i hope you're saying we "screwed ourselves later" because we traded Collison and not because of Ariza's contract
Posted by hg
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:15 pm to
What a stupid fricking trade. We get rid of Bower now this shite happens
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:15 pm to
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conroy signed with detroit last week


I think you mean Will "the Thrill" Bynum
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:15 pm to
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im tired of all these "get better now to screw ourselves later" deals

cp3 forced the FOs hand
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:15 pm to
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quote:
way more important to get rid of Posey at this point than Okafor.


why?





Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
50194 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:16 pm to
Unless CP could have convinced Melo to come here, which is highly unlikely, then we just traded the wrong PG IMO. Would have rather used Paul to package with Okafor for expirings/talent from Portland or something.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:16 pm to
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short term


We appear to be in Win Now mode. At least Ariza's a good fit on a reasonable contract. Cleveland screwed themselves in part by reaching for bad fits with huge contracts.

quote:

is this the best long-term deal?


What could we realistically have gotten with DC + Peja? No one's going to give up a big better than Okafor for that. I think I'd much rather a $7 million Ariza than a $12 million Iggy.
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25745 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:16 pm to
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Will "the Thrill" Bynum


This... add Luther Head and we can have Chi-town swag in the backcourt... blee dat.
Posted by YatTigah
Lakeview, New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2010
517 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:17 pm to
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sigh. im tired of all these "get better now to screw ourselves later" deals


i hope you're saying we "screwed ourselves later" because we traded Collison and not because of Ariza's contract.

quote:

Okafor's still a Top 10 center.


name 10 centers in the league that are clearly better than Okafor.

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why?


because as overpaid as Okafor is, he still gets you 10/10 a night. is it the best 10/10 around, not even close but you can't trade Okafor and then tell CP that we're gonna roll with Aaron Gray. Posey is total dead weight. completely useless.

quote:

DEFINITELY no guarantee of this


there's no guarantee of anything

Posted by dutchtowntiger100
dutchtown
Member since Aug 2009
2872 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:17 pm to
If Paul leaves, Augustin will be Hornets next point guard.
I like the move, you have to try and do something to keep the franchise, if you lose Paul you'll end up in lottery and that's when you get Paul's replacement

You had to get Posey off the books

Okafor for Augustin needs to happen next
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465953 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

We appear to be in Win Now mode

and yet we apparently are letting peja's deal just expire and made moves to get under the tax

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I think I'd much rather a $7 million Ariza than a $12 million Iggy.

even if ariza drops back down to the 10 ppg range?
Posted by Elleshoe
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:20 pm to
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even if ariza drops back down to the 10 ppg range?


don't think that's gonna happen.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67440 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:20 pm to
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What a stupid fricking trade. We get rid of Bower now this shite happens


Given our options, I wouldn't say it was really stupid.
Posted by YatTigah
Lakeview, New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2010
517 posts
Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:20 pm to
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even if ariza drops back down to the 10 ppg range?


Ariza's 10ppg + no Posey + better perimeter defense + better rebounding + Peja off the bench + more athleticism + energy = WIN
This post was edited on 8/11/10 at 1:21 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:21 pm to
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if you lose Paul you'll end up in lottery and that's when you get Paul's replacement

DC was really, really good last year

quote:

You had to get Posey off the books

no we didn't

and we assumed similar salary (for a starting option)

our FO went cheap on acquiring a 3, and substituted posey's salary for this

but posey didn't HAVE to be moved
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:22 pm to
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don't think that's gonna happen.

why?

he's going to get fewer shots behind cp3/west/thornton
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/11/10 at 1:22 pm to
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Ariza's 10ppg + no Posey + better perimeter defense + better rebounding + Peja off the bench + more athleticism + energy = WIN

i was comparing to AI2 at $13M per
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