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re: Here to eat my crow about Griff
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:51 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:51 am to Epic Cajun
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:53 am to Epic Cajun
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You said the ideal trade for both the Pels and the Blazers would’ve been Jrue for CJ, Griff ended up trading Jrue for 2-3 times the value that it cost him to trade for CJ
Votes out on the swaps and 27 pick, but tbf, on net the Pels have largely washed out that better opportunity cost with the bad moves using those extra picks.
I guess the next counter would be it led to Jonas in a roundabout way, and true, but the counter to that counter is that OKC was trying to sell Adams off for two years, and couldn’t find takers, we came in and outbid ourselves when no one else was gonna offer anything near that, and hadn’t.
But yeah, in the whole the Jrue to Mil trade seems to be the better move unless Portland would have thrown in swaps/picks, which if so, I don’t think it would be much
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:54 am to supe12sta12z
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Wtf do you care so much about a mid round pick. He took a shot and it didn’t pay off. It happens. Much rather Griffin gamble on these type of moves over more rookies like Nickeils.
Have you not been watching the games recently? We had three rookies on the floor closing out two win or go home games and you asking why a mid first is important?
I made this same argument when we made the Adams trade, that we should have used it instead. If the rookie doesn’t show after a year or two, trade them off like we did NAW. Look what happens when u hit on a H Jones or a Bane who could have been had instead of Adams.
We are a small market team and not a free agent destination. It’s the only way
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:56 am to Bronc
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But yeah, in the whole the Jrue to Mil trade seems to be the better move unless Portland would have thrown in swaps/picks, which if so, I don’t think it would be much
IMO, at the time of the Jrue trade there was no way that we were getting CJ plus picks for Jrue.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:57 am to Epic Cajun
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You said the ideal trade for both the Pels and the Blazers would’ve been Jrue for CJ, Griff ended up trading Jrue for 2-3 times the value that it cost him to trade for
At the time we traded Jrue. Or even when we traded AD, not now. Geez
And it’s not mental gymnastics, the Graham trade directly cost us the 2nd best asset in the Jrue trade.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:04 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:01 am to supe12sta12z
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Wtf do you care so much about a mid round pick.
I mean, have you heard of a few guys by the name of Trey Murphy and Herbert Jones?
Mid round picks aren’t nothing, and when our next opponents best player was drafted 13th, our mid round rookie is leading all rookies in 3p percentage, you sort of want to avoid just throwing away picks in the cheap talent pool for desperation plays.
We’ve more than made up for it in other ways, but I’d bet even Griff would tell you he’d do it differently if he could, and will look to correct it going forward
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:10 am to Epic Cajun
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IMO, at the time of the Jrue trade there was no way that we were getting CJ plus picks for Jrue.
I would have imagined it would be a token swap right and maybe a protected first coming back our way because Portland would have been more desperate for a deal than us.
Which, even with the missteps using the Mil assets, I still probably take the Mil deal, since I think that 27 pick and the 26 swap rights should be very interesting. Mil will either have successfully built a whole new team around Giannis to finish his career with(unlikely, and I truly doubt Jrue/Middleton are still elite players in 3-4 years), or Giannis is probably gonna be either moved preemptively or he will probably chase a ring elsewhere.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:11 am to Townedrunkard
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And it’s not mental gymnastics, the Graham trade directly cost us the 2nd best asset in the Jrue trade.
An asset that we wouldn’t have even had if we traded Jrue for CJ. If you subtract the CJ trade and the Graham trade from the assets of the Jrue trade you still have leftover assets there.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:18 am to Epic Cajun
Just a point of minor contention, but 26 swap rights I’d place above the 25 pick.
Maybe, maybe the Bucks preemptively trade Giannis in the summer of 24-25, but history has shown they are willing to gamble like that. Maybe they do it at the deadline if things are dire, but at that point the Bucks are probably still a 9 or 10 seed. Not bad, but 26 is Gianni’s’ option year. So if the 25 pick is good it’s cause Giannis is gone/washed, so 26 swap rights are likely even better. And there is the real possibility Giannis plays through the 25 season and walks in 26.
Basically everything we like about the 25 pick possibilities would likely be even better with the 26 swap rights
Maybe, maybe the Bucks preemptively trade Giannis in the summer of 24-25, but history has shown they are willing to gamble like that. Maybe they do it at the deadline if things are dire, but at that point the Bucks are probably still a 9 or 10 seed. Not bad, but 26 is Gianni’s’ option year. So if the 25 pick is good it’s cause Giannis is gone/washed, so 26 swap rights are likely even better. And there is the real possibility Giannis plays through the 25 season and walks in 26.
Basically everything we like about the 25 pick possibilities would likely be even better with the 26 swap rights
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:23 am to Bronc
We literally have 7 players with 3 years or less with experience. And that doesn’t even include the top 10 pick in the upcoming draft.
We don’t need anymore mid round picks. We need a mix of Vets and youth which we have. Some of you keep pretending that we don’t have any youth but the truth is, we have a lot and will continue to add them selectively depending on how high the picks are in a given year.
We don’t need anymore mid round picks. We need a mix of Vets and youth which we have. Some of you keep pretending that we don’t have any youth but the truth is, we have a lot and will continue to add them selectively depending on how high the picks are in a given year.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:30 am to supe12sta12z
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We don’t need anymore mid round picks.
Go look at the salary cap and the expected new contracts for Zion/Herb/Hayes/CJ in the coming seasons and tell me again why we don’t need cost controlled talent or prospects that can be replacements down the line in a few years?
Your strategy is the one that has hogtied, bankrupted, and narrowed the window for teams the league over, where you just hand out draft picks left and right for expensive vet talent to plug one or two year holes and then end up with only the ability to overpay those players as they age out or be faced with essentially slamming your window shut(which is likely already shut because you decided to cash in all your chips for marginal short term players). You are essentially advocating the Lebron team building model, and sorry, I want to enjoy a competitive Pelicans franchise for a decade plus, not just have a tenuous window in the next couple seasons.
And us getting a Shaedon Sharpe/Mathurin or Chet this year, a nice 10th pick off the Lakers swap next year, and finding those players and developing them in your system is a key component of building long lasting success.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:31 am to Bronc
Lol. More drivel. We have literally drafted in the first round in every single draft since Griffin got here but that isn’t enough for some of you.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:32 am to supe12sta12z
Cheap talent is exaxtly what is needed in rounding out the roster.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:34 am to supe12sta12z
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Lol. More drivel. We have literally drafted in the first round in every single draft since Griffin got here but that isn’t enough for some of you.
And you’re arguing that going forward we don’t need to concern ourselves much with the very thing that has got us here, which is quality drafting outside the top 5. Cause we’ve got enough youth.
I can’t help if you don’t understand how draft picks counter balance future cap implications and our core talent aging. But if we want to have sustained success as Griff speaks about, maintaining a steady pipeline of quality draft talent, today and tomorrow, is basically the only way.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:37 am to Epic Cajun
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An asset that we wouldn’t have even had if we traded Jrue for CJ. If you subtract the CJ trade and the Graham trade from the assets of the Jrue trade you still have leftover assets there.
The Jrue for CJ swap was just a comment. Just saying it woukd have worked great for both teams years ago. They had two small guards that score and we had two bigger defensive guards with Jrue and Ball. It was just a comment.
I liked the Jrue trade to Mil and think he got about the highest value you can get for him. But like I said Griff has pretty much blown 2/3 of the assets from it indirectly or directly from the Graham & Adams trade.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:38 am to Bronc
We have plenty of youth. We need to selectively add youth moving forward. It’s not rocket science here. When you have a top pick, draft them. When you have a strong draft, take a guy. But we don’t need to be adding mid round picks every single year. But let that fly over your heads. Moar draft picks!
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:43 am to Bronc
The Pels have a bunch of cost controlled talent. I am not sure what this is all about. They have all of their future picks. At some point you can’t even develop all the talent. Right now there isn’t even minutes for Kira without completely shutting down Devonte.
Jose has clearly established himself imo as the spark PG off the bench. He also looks like a true glue guy in the locker room. The Pels are about to draft a top 10 pick that really won’t have very easy minutes opportunities.
Jose has clearly established himself imo as the spark PG off the bench. He also looks like a true glue guy in the locker room. The Pels are about to draft a top 10 pick that really won’t have very easy minutes opportunities.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:46 am to Colonel Flagg
And the current crop of cost controlled talents will take us into the next TV deal where the cap goes up exponentially.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:51 am to supe12sta12z
The Pels hit a home run this past offseason with rookies. You saw last night how Murphy, Jones, and Alvarado were big contributors to the win and team.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 11:54 am to Colonel Flagg
One thing that will be great for the topn10 pick this year will be no pressure for them to be a star or starter. Normally a top 10 pick is going to a bad team and they have pressure. This player will be added to a strong team with a lot going for them
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