re: Herb’s shooting

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Herb’s shooting
What’s going on with herb’s shooting this year?

He’s gone from 34%->26% from 3 and 84%->73% from FT

He’s shooting 19% on unguarded catch and shoot attempts, that’s dead last in the league.

He missed 26 fts all year last year and has already missed 11 this year.

His form doesn’t look different to me. If he can’t knock down a shot reliably it could hurt the spacing on offense.

Hope he picks it up.

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Few things...Herb hasn't shot a single 3-pt shot this year, that was NOT an open C&S, and rightfully so. He should never take a contested 3-pt shot or one off the dribble, barring shot clock problem and/or (as AD calls it) he gets a "911" dropped on him.

Very small sample size but I thought he might have come around since (as somebody mentioned) he was 2-3, 2-2 and 2-4 in last 3 games before going 0-4 with some pretty bad bricks. Lot of variance to his misses, which isn't a good sign. FTs look OK to me...not bad misses there.

He's 2-5 on foot faults...and I think he actually had 3 of those in ONE game so maybe he's at least cut back on that particular weird aspect of his game. He had 42 foot faults last year...doubt they keep up with that stat but I'm guessin' that could be the all-time record.

I remain optimistic he will turn things around...

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He is always left foot forward

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He's left handed. That's how that's supposed to work. Are you saying it's too far forward?
The best right handed shooters typically have their right foot slightly forward, and are just slightly turned to the left. This allows the alignment of the right arm to be more straight up and down. And when i say slightly, i mean slightly.

JR Smith, while a dumbass, has one of the prettiest forms of all time. It's probably natural to him as opposed to being taught, but for someone athletic, this is exactly how you want to see them shoot with elevation on the jump shot.


Steph obviously as well.


I've always thought Carmelo has beautiful shooting form as well.


All 3 of those guys have their right foot slightly forward and right shoulder just slightly ahead of the left. Perfect form for an elevated jump shot.



Now Herb doesn't really shoot like those guys, and i dont' mean percentage wise, but how Herb shoots. Herb doesn't elevate like those 3 do on set shots.
His shot is better to be compared to Harden, being left handed and doesn't elevate as much on set shots. And it is difficult to find a gif of Harden shooting a 3 that isn't a step back, but you can see left foot is still forward, left shoulder slightly forward on this shot, and not much elevation.


This shot form from Herb is not bad, but there is something clunky about how he brings the ball up to his release point, and it feels like he releases the ball too far in front of him instead of going higher up with the release point. It's not bad, and i think it's more in his head than anything. When he has time, he should be a decent 3 point shooter with that form.

Tell me I'm wrong Dinky, but I don't feel like Herb has had the same impact on defense so far this season. He still seems to regularly make highlight plays like the 3 point blocks, but I can't recall the last time it felt like he shut down the opposing star for an extended period of time. That seemed to happen regularly last season. It might be as simple as other teams have adjusted to Herb and Herb needs to adjust back, but I just don't sense the same impact.

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but I can't recall the last time it felt like he shut down the opposing star for an extended period of time.

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He shut down Jayson Tatum. 19 points is the least amount he's had all year.

And as others have mentioned, he's been getting some really shitty calls against him this year, and you can see it's starting to affect him.

Sometimes when fixing mechanics it will actually make things worse as you get it fixed.

He shot a way that worked well for him perhaps, but limited his ability to get better. Now that he is fixing his form, it will take some growing pains before he gets back to it.

Not sure if that is the situation here, but seen it plenty of times.

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Sometimes when fixing mechanics it will actually make things worse as you get it fixed.

He shot a way that worked well for him perhaps, but limited his ability to get better. Now that he is fixing his form, it will take some growing pains before he gets back to it.

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Along the same line...I was a bit stunned that they didn't try & fix his "foot fault" problem during last season, where he slid his left foot up just a few inches right before he shot the 3. Then, we decided they just felt his shot was SO "fragile" that they didn't want to mess with that aspect of his shot & risk totally destroying it and maybe he shoots 15-20% from 3 & you're stuck with that. So, just wait until the off-season to fix the slide and let's get Herb & his defense on the court this year.

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I believe Herb is just in a slump. Really though, Herb brings so much more than the 3 ball to the team. Herb is a tone-setter, along with being a defensive demon, a good secondary ball handler, and an excellent finisher in sets or in transition. The 3 ball definitely helps with court spacing but his value is not predicated on him being a 3 and D player. I expect his percentages to climb as the season progresses due to his work-ethic, but he is nothing like say a Thybulle, where his game is largely based on his defensive presence.

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Yep...76ers been trying to get rid of Thybulle for awhile now. Just too much of a net negative on offense. Doubt Herb can possibly drop to that level. Hopefully, Herb will track the Mikal Bridges career path as far as improvement goes. MB quite a bit ahead of Herb on offense, but I actually think Herb is a better overall defender. To be honest, if Pels could add Booker or MB to their squad, I would actually prefer MB, strange as that might sound, to many folks here.

I know this thread is specifically about Herb's shooting, specifically 3pt shooting. It's been bad, no way around that.

But I'd just like to add a bit of perspective to point out that he's still keeping good enough scoring efficiency despite shooting a woeful 25.8% from 3.

While his FT accuracy is down, he's getting to the line a good bit more than last season.

Plus he's shooting 56% from 2 this season, which is really impressive.

All of that combined, and his TS% was .573 and this year it's .554. Down? Yes. But not THAT far down given how bad his shot has been. So props to Herb for that.

Interesting to bring up JR and Melo since both were more volume scorers for most of their career rather than dead eye shooters.

The front foot offset is like a lot of things, it’s ok in moderation, although I would argue it still isn’t actually helpful, there is a reason most good free throw shooters are squared up on the line. Looking at the video of Harden it’s pretty easy to see he is way more square.

Generally speaking the less square the shooter (meaning shoulders) is to the target line, the more the off side arm has to chicken wing and come off the ball sooner to avoid imparting side action.

Ideally the ball comes from the set position straight up the spine and out of the head with both elbows finishing just inside the shoulders and for most people that is easiest to repeat from a square position.

Easy way to see what I’m talking about is to lay on your back and shoot a basketball straight up over your face over and over again…you’ll find that the arms need to be parallel and in sync to keep from chasing the ball for the entire drill.

The arm placement is the same as a good neutral golf grip with the dominant arm laid flat instead of curled and for the same purpose…the goal is to swing free with the big muscles and leave the small muscles neutral and out of it as much as possible.

Obviously all IMO of course

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(not to mention no Center under contract"

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What do you mean by this?