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re: Great Expectations
Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:13 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:13 pm to TigerinATL
As long as Gentry is just a placeholder and not the long term solution as the coach then I’m ok.
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Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:20 pm to BigPerm30
That's always been the plan IMO. I'm not sure how anyone expected Griff to make a coaching change when he had no idea what the roster would look like in 2 months after he took the job. It was much easier to stick with a guy he knew in Gentry for a year while he was able to figure out the roster make-up, settle on his front office staff, and scout potential coaching hires. You can only do so many things in one off-season.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:37 pm to LesGeaux45
Is that so? Why did they pick up his 20-21 option then?
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 7:59 pm to TigerinATL
Ain’t reading all that but definitely agree with your general sentiment. I posted this on Twitter earlier. I think people are way too goddamn impatient with this team considering all the new players and injuries.
Chill until we see starting 5 of Zo, Jrue, Ingram, Zion, Favors with JJ, Hart, Moore, Kenrich, Hayes/Melli off the bench. That’s a team that’s going to win games if they can ever get on the floor together. Gnashing teeth about losses now just isn’t worth it
Chill until we see starting 5 of Zo, Jrue, Ingram, Zion, Favors with JJ, Hart, Moore, Kenrich, Hayes/Melli off the bench. That’s a team that’s going to win games if they can ever get on the floor together. Gnashing teeth about losses now just isn’t worth it
Posted on 12/2/19 at 8:25 pm to supe12sta12z
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Is that so? Why did they pick up his 20-21 option then?
I would say that you want to create a sense of security and continuity in the organization. I don't think that the idea of Gentry coaching next year was ruled out (or even has been ruled out), but Griffin likes Gentry, and it's well-known that Griffin would be happy to have Gentry in the front office.
It will be easy to convert Gentry's coaching salary to a front-office salary when the time comes.
So, I disagree with the idea that Gentry is strictly a placeholder, but I'm also not expecting Gentry back next year as coach unless things turn around dramatically.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It will be easy to convert Gentry's coaching salary to a front-office salary when the time comes
Bingo. I think Gayle and Griff both like Alvin a lot and either way he'll be with the organization in some capacity. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll be coaching.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:11 pm to LesGeaux45
There’s literally no evidence of this. Pure speculation and wishful thinking.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:33 pm to TigerinATL
Regarding the Pels, I have been as much of a “sunshine pumper” as there is, but after the two losses to the Thunder, I found myself frustrated.
I like our core, but In my opinion, at this point, the only untouchables should be Zion and Hayes. We should lean towards keeping Jrue, Ingram, and Hart, but if players who are better fits are available, even they should be expendable. As far as the rest are concerned, I hope they are moved for better players soon. The biggest problem is not the lack of coaching. It’s the lack of talent. Basketball is a game where, unlike football, talent moves the needle a lot more than coaching.
The good news is I have faith in Griffin, Langdon, and Cash to make moves to fix that discrepancy, and put the right players around Zion to be a consistent winner.
I like our core, but In my opinion, at this point, the only untouchables should be Zion and Hayes. We should lean towards keeping Jrue, Ingram, and Hart, but if players who are better fits are available, even they should be expendable. As far as the rest are concerned, I hope they are moved for better players soon. The biggest problem is not the lack of coaching. It’s the lack of talent. Basketball is a game where, unlike football, talent moves the needle a lot more than coaching.
The good news is I have faith in Griffin, Langdon, and Cash to make moves to fix that discrepancy, and put the right players around Zion to be a consistent winner.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 12/2/19 at 11:39 pm to supe12sta12z
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There’s literally no evidence of this.
Actually there is. It’s widely known that Gayle loves Alvin. She could have sent him packing with Dell when she cleaned house after the Davis debacle. Most owners fire the coach as they dismantle and rebuild the front office, then allow the new gm to pick his guy, but she didn’t.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 4:25 am to TigerinATL
Only 3 games out of 8th spot
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:34 am to TigerinATL
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Enjoy this year for what it is instead of expecting it to be something it’s not.
Then at this point they need to commit to the tank, hold Zion out all year and reap the benefits in the 2020 draft.
Eat the season and commit to it. I don’t agree that the current structure lends itself to great growth. But they’ve already made the bed. A good GM would make the best out if it. It’s there for the taking
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:53 am to TigerinKorea
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The biggest problem is not the lack of coaching. It’s the lack of talent.
You got that backwards kimosabe
Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:50 am to TigerinKorea
quote:Hayes is untouchable but Ingram isn't?
I like our core, but In my opinion, at this point, the only untouchables should be Zion and Hayes
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:00 am to Lester Earl
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Then at this point they need to commit to the tank, hold Zion out all year and reap the benefits in the 2020 draft.
You're smarter than this, Lester. Even if I were to concede that the playoffs were absolutely out of reach (I don't), let me list a few reasons why this is a really bad take:
1) It would be a betrayal of the thousands of fans who bought seasons tickets so that they could watch Zion play. If even holding out Zion were in the best interest of the team in the long term (it's not), New Orleans needs for Zion to play to support the growing fanbase.
2) It would be horribly unfair to Zion. The kid wants to play. He loves basketball. If he's healthy and ready to play, and we say no, because we want to lose, that would potentially alienate him … and we want to keep Zion for the long term. Besides his natural desire to play, Zion has already earned over $100 million in endorsements, and those corporations are not paying him for nothing. If Zion were to sit the whole year, it would substantially reduce his future earnings potential. There are already some idiots calling him "soft," and holding him out for the rest of the season would only exacerbate that crap. We owe it to him to play him when he's ready.
3) Zion is not a finished product. Zion has in no way reached his potential as a player -- he's just a rookie! How in the world do you expect him to learn and improve without playing? The Zion Era is not infinite; we have to develop him to Peak Zion as soon as possible, and that doesn't happen off the court.
4) We're trying to build a winning culture. If the organization weren't really trying to win, how would you address our failures to close out games? How would you get guys like Ingram and Hayes to develop the right habits and attitudes if nothing matters, and we aren't even trying to win?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:31 am to TigerinATL
Too many Rant posters in here after Zion pick. It’ll clear out soon
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:55 am to GOP_Tiger
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1) It would be a betrayal of the thousands of fans who bought seasons tickets so that they could watch Zion play
They kept Gentry; it was a betrayal from the start.
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We're trying to build a winning culture.
Again, they kept Gentry.
Culture building is stunted and spinning in neutral.
Gentry has is a zero when it comes to winning culture. Of course smart people saw this in the offseason when people argued to keep Gentry and to even put him in the front office. But per usual, basketball fans in New Orleans are illiterate
As far as Zion, his feelings don’t matter. They are already playing it extra safe which is all I want. Not a full season of sitting out. 25-30 games is fine as long as they continue to bomb
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:04 am to Lester Earl
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Then at this point they need to commit to the tank, hold Zion out all year and reap the benefits in the 2020 draft.
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They are already playing it extra safe which is all I want. Not a full season of sitting out. 25-30 games is fine as long as they continue to bomb
LE pls
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:13 am to JohnnyKilroy
I read Gentrys comments in between. It’s clear what they are doing and I’m ok with him playing later in year
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:00 am to Lester Earl
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It’s clear what they are doing and I’m ok with him playing later in year
Good, because I just realized that I forgot:
5) The league would not allow us to sit a healthy Zion. The NBA's TV ratings are down this year, in part because some of the league's biggest stars are hurt: KD, Steph, Klay … and Zion. The league wouldn't let us sit AD last year, and they definitely aren't going to let us sit a healthy Zion this year. There are too many nationally televised Pels games to even think about that.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:10 am to GOP_Tiger
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You're smarter than this, Lester. Even if I were to concede that the playoffs were absolutely out of reach (I don't), let me list a few reasons why this is a really bad take:
1) It would be a betrayal of the thousands of fans who bought seasons tickets so that they could watch Zion play. If even holding out Zion were in the best interest of the team in the long term (it's not), New Orleans needs for Zion to play to support the growing fanbase.
2) It would be horribly unfair to Zion. The kid wants to play. He loves basketball. If he's healthy and ready to play, and we say no, because we want to lose, that would potentially alienate him … and we want to keep Zion for the long term. Besides his natural desire to play, Zion has already earned over $100 million in endorsements, and those corporations are not paying him for nothing. If Zion were to sit the whole year, it would substantially reduce his future earnings potential. There are already some idiots calling him "soft," and holding him out for the rest of the season would only exacerbate that crap. We owe it to him to play him when he's ready.
3) Zion is not a finished product. Zion has in no way reached his potential as a player -- he's just a rookie! How in the world do you expect him to learn and improve without playing? The Zion Era is not infinite; we have to develop him to Peak Zion as soon as possible, and that doesn't happen off the court.
4) We're trying to build a winning culture. If the organization weren't really trying to win, how would you address our failures to close out games? How would you get guys like Ingram and Hayes to develop the right habits and attitudes if nothing matters, and we aren't even trying to win?
Couldnt agree more.
5) The results of tanking have never won anybody a championship. The Sixers and Suns are the gold standard for tankers and look what it has done for them. The Sixers are conference contenders this year but how many years of tanking did that take? You think Zion and Ingram are going to wait that out? Also, people who are proponents of tanking seem to forget that you dont always hit on your picks. We could tank and end up drafting a Okafor type guy like the Sixers did or a Josh Jackson type guy like the Suns did. We are not immune to bad drafting. And the way the draft is set up now, which is fantastic, makes it even dumber to tank. Guys fighting and learning how to win together, even if it's not for the playoffs, will be much better for this team than a %3-5 better chance at a better pick.
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