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re: Grady Dick if he’s there at 14

Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
437 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:01 pm to
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He measured well at the combine. About 6’8 with shoes and a 6’9 wingspan. Also came in at 204 lbs which is about 10 lbs heavier than what he was listed at Kansas. Good sign since I thought he was too thin at Kansas


I would say his measurements were mixed...Grady Dick at 200+ is better, but his standing reach is not great (8'5") and likely limits his defensive versatility, but he is a premier shooter and the Pels need more shooting.

I was pleasantly surprised at Kris Murray's measurements, and he has been a solid shooter, particularly for a big and is probably the only one I see that can play some at the 4 without it being a smallball move...212lbs, plus his 8'10" standing reach is solid for a PF.

CJ/Jose/Dyson/Kira
BI/Trey/(Richardson)
Herb/Naji
Zion/Murray/Liddell
JV/Larry/(Jaxson)
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11191 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:16 pm to
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CJ/Jose/Dyson/Kira
BI/Trey/(Richardson)
Herb/Naji
Zion/Murray/Liddell
JV/Larry/(Jaxson)


We need to do an honest breakdown of players and what positions they would perform optimally. In my mind, this is how our players slot.

PG- Alvarado, Lewis
SG- McCollum, Richardson
SF- Ingram, Jones, Murphy, Daniels, Marshall
PF- Zion, Nance
C- Val, Hayes

People will say that SG and SG are interchangeable. I don't believe that. But even if that is so, would we be better off adding another Murphy or another McCollum? Which would bring more balance to the roster?

If we did go wing, it better be someone that is bigger and can play the 4 some. Otherwise, where are the minutes coming from?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15762 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:21 pm to
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I love Dick




Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
437 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:38 pm to
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We need to do an honest breakdown of players and what positions they would perform optimally. In my mind, this is how our players slot.

PG- Alvarado, Lewis
SG- McCollum, Richardson
SF- Ingram, Jones, Murphy, Daniels, Marshall
PF- Zion, Nance
C- Val, Hayes



There are only two spots I would do differently...CJ and Dyson.

I actually like CJ at the PG position because he provides a steady, veteran presence, and he has plus size as a PG (vs being a small SG), but I agree that the Pels have to acknowledge his age and foot speed in that context, which means he has to have good defenders behind him to help so he can use his size and close the air space outside without it being a free march to the rim.

IMO Dyson's defense gives him a lot of versatility, but I struggle to have a spot for him because his offense and shooting is so underdeveloped compared to his defense. Maybe you're right that he fits better as a slashing SF at the moment.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29755 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:41 pm to
Your breakdown is wonky, and isn't practical in how guys are played, and Kira isn't on this team, and if he is, he's not playing. Hayes isn't on the team either.
Nance is the backup 5, not a 4.

If I were to do an honest breakdown:

CJ will play PG about 65% of the time, with Jose playing the other 35%

Herb and BI will play 100% of their minutes at the 2 or 3. Richardson will play 100% of his minutes at the 2/3.
Trey will play 35% of his minutes at the 3, and 65% of them at the 4.
Zion will play 100% of his minutes at the 4, although i'm sure they'll tinker with him at the 5 a bit at times.
JV and Larry will play 100% of their minutes at the 5.

No one else really matters as they are only playing significant minutes if someone else is hurt.
Dyson will get some minutes at the 1 and 2, how much depending on if he's improved offensively this offseason.


That's 10 guys i just mentioned getting minutes. Not including the #14 pick, or Naji, or Liddell
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
5820 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:11 pm to
I agree with Teddy’s breakdown. With a few tweaks of course.

No guarantee that Richardson or Kira will be on the roster next year. Tough to keep Kira with a healthy Jose and tough to keep Richardson with Dyson. And Dyson can play 1-3

Trey will play many minutes at 3. I also can see Trey4/ Zion5 lineups.

We don’t need any PF’s. Zion, Liddell, Trey, Nance.

I think we draft a center or get vet min. Val, Nance, rookie/ vet

Liddell, Naji, #14, and whatever center we bring in will probably all play.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Redundant to what we already have on the roster. We don't need another super lean wing, unless we trade one away, even if he is a great shooter.



if he's a great shooter you thank god you get him 14th.

do you prefer duke center. 7 1 defender.
dukie cannot shoot yet. ordinarily I'd be fine with 7 1 defender but zion doesn't have much game away from the paint either.
a lot jam. its my hope zion plays like moses Malone vs summer league wanna be's and fetches the haul. so lively is ok if dick is gone at 14.

there are no full service point guards at 14.

dick is ok for 14.
might be mighty.

This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
11817 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:53 pm to
I see him as a poor man’s klay Thompson. Pelicans should pick up if available.
Posted by Pelicans4Real
Member since Jun 2019
168 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:11 pm to
I want him if everyone can make shirts saying who wants the d
Posted by Mulkey Man
Member since Apr 2021
19403 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:18 pm to
I’m not a fan, don’t think he holds up on defense at all.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12870 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:26 pm to
That's not true. His defense got significantly better over the course of the season. If his defense is as bad as you said it was, he would not be a lottery pick.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:27 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11191 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:38 pm to
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do you prefer duke center. 7 1 defender.
dukie cannot shoot yet.


We need a back up Center, but it's a bit of a reach at our pick. I wouldn't hate it though.

I don't dislike Dick. He seems like a good future role player. But I want more out of the 14th pick than a 12th or 13th guy for us playing 10mpg.

Here is a hypothetical. If Washington offered us Kispert for the 14th pick, would we do it? Is that good value?
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7757 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:48 pm to
The main differences between Kispert and Dick are

1) Kispert has 2 less years on his rookie deal
2) Kispert is 5 years older
3) Dick is 2 inches taller
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55833 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:00 pm to
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Washington offered us Kispert for the 14th pick, would we do it? Is that good value?
no
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4318 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:50 pm to
Problem with dick is his lateral quickness. He’s actually a pretty good off ball defender but if someone gets him in isolation it’s not great. He’s a smart player, underrated passer, decent rebounder and elite shooter.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11191 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:09 am to
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) Kispert has 2 less years on his rookie deal


Kispert has 2 years in the league and is a proven performer. Less of a gamble.

quote:

Kispert is 5 years older


More mature and a greater immediate contributor.

quote:

Dick is 2 inches taller


Sure 1-2 inches. Kispert is more physically developed and has good size for his role. I don't see where that height would be a major advantage.

All that said, I wouldn't make the trade either. I don't think it's the best value and I don't see Kispert playing a big role with our team. So why would I take Dick who I would expect to play a similar role but is much less proven?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:16 am to
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If his defense is as bad as you said it was, he would not be a lottery pick.





aiyeee!

trouble is, he's not a lottery pick, he's on lists.

look at redrafts. there are always a guy or two you do not take in round 1 who went round one.
Hayes is that ilk.

anyhow Dick is not a first round pick. he's on lists.



Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10115 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:35 am to
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McCollum, Ingram and Murphy would be the those three. Then we have Daniels, Jones and Nance coming off the bench. I just don't see where an additional wing gets any minutes.


You are thinking too short term. No rookie is going to come in and start without injury. Skillsets we are missing: movement shooting, rim protection, rim pressure, and to a lesser extent rebounding.

Gradey is a potentially elite shooter who can rebound and be a competent positional defender. We only have 2 shooters right now on the roster: Trey and CJ. Trey is primarily a C&S guy and I don’t know how much of movement shooting he can add with his body type. Also if one of CJ/Trey is out for any extended time, our spacing sucks.

If Gradey becomes the movement shooter many expect, you have the ability to really stretch out a defense for Zion to feast with CJ-Gradey-Trey lineups.

Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10115 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:39 am to
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We need to do an honest breakdown of players and what positions they would perform optimally.


Not really how teams think anymore. The distinction between guards and forwards is disappearing. The evaluation is what positions can they guard and what skillsets do they add.
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