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re: Good article on BI's value and future of Max Contracts (hopefully)
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/10/24 at 7:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The Finals MVP is barely a top 60 player too.
EPM
Jaylen Brown at 39th
VORP
Jaylen Brown at 70th
WS/48
Jaylen Brown at 67th
LEBRON
Jaylen Brown at 76th
Great point. We all know brown was the best player on that celtics team that just won it all.
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:09 pm to AD23
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in games that don't matter in an inefficient way, yeah
Oh, I got ya, he’s inefficient in the games Pels lost, and the 49 wins don’t matter….. sheesh
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:09 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Great point. We all know brown was the best player on that celtics team that just won it all.
Jason Kidd even said so.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:47 pm to Jester
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You're insufferable and dumb
You’re right, I’m an idiot. I forgot to mention that the league also values availability which again Ingram doesn’t provide
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And BI is not bad at defense. CJ is bad at defense.
and i've posted the stats many times. BI was an elite scorer this year off picks. Top 15% in the league.
And he was just as elite off dribble handoffs as a scorer being top 12% in the league.
He had the 17th most possessions in the league off screens, and he had a higher eFG%, 60.4% than everyone ahead of him except for 2 guys, KAT who he was just 1.5% points lower than, and Steph Curry, who was far and away better than everyone at 70.6%.
You just made the perfect argument for why it could work. As each passing day makes it more likely he starts the year on the team, this would be the best way to maximize his offensive value. My concern is that the coaches won't see it that way or BI gets lazy when the calls are away from him. This could be a very unique and very good team if everyone buys in and Willie doesn't fu*k things up. That and getting a decent starting 5.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:55 pm to From Rice to Ingram
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:08 pm to duyp
Good luck with that.
I know he wants to get paid but that money isn’t out there for him right now.
He may be better off taking a 1 and 1 or other short term deal to kick things down the road one or two offseasons ans raise his potential max.
I know he wants to get paid but that money isn’t out there for him right now.
He may be better off taking a 1 and 1 or other short term deal to kick things down the road one or two offseasons ans raise his potential max.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:59 pm to duyp
Maybe his agent will come back to reality after having no suitors.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:59 pm to NOSHAU
Right. Hopefully it's a process ending in Brandon and his agent realizing where his market value actually is. But I wouldn't count on that. Anyone who has dealt with clients knows they can have a surprisingly irrational view of what things are worth, even in the face of cold, hard evidence to the contrary.
I think best case is Ingram's team adjusts enough to accept a short extension with a player option in the $40 million range. The extra year at a reasonable price may bring some suitors back to the table as he'd essentially be on a two-year deal with an opt out.
I actually think BI's value in the new CBA-era is closer to $25-$30 million, but it may take a while before he can accept that. Very possible he just plays out his contract and Pels say "we like you but go ahead and see what kind of offer you can get and maybe then we can talk." He's probably gone at that point, but I'm not sure he fits longterm even at a lower number...
I think best case is Ingram's team adjusts enough to accept a short extension with a player option in the $40 million range. The extra year at a reasonable price may bring some suitors back to the table as he'd essentially be on a two-year deal with an opt out.
I actually think BI's value in the new CBA-era is closer to $25-$30 million, but it may take a while before he can accept that. Very possible he just plays out his contract and Pels say "we like you but go ahead and see what kind of offer you can get and maybe then we can talk." He's probably gone at that point, but I'm not sure he fits longterm even at a lower number...
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:23 pm to New City Champ
Agreed. He hasn’t really done anything for us to be worth that. It’s crazy how Zion and BI worked for a while to where we was ranked top. But I’m not sure if that’s the case anymore. Especially if the rumors are true Trey wanting a bigger role.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
Right now i would trade him for 2 firsts and be done with it but they haven’t even gotten a weak offer like that. Honestly just to be off his contract I would really have to think about doing it for one 1st just to move on. Package that extra first with 1-2 of our own and go find a real starting center. We will take a loss, it’s just about if we take .75 cents on the dollar or .25 cents on the dollar. BI needs to humble himself just a tad and realize $175 million is still a shitload of money and gives his family generational wealth on top of what he’s already made in his 9 years of NVA ball. He’s just not a max guy but he’s worth $175 million to many teams as their #2 to a star on a max deal, preferably for him either a PG or C. He’s never going to be “the guy”, even on shite teams.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:06 pm to LSUPilot07
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Right now i would trade him for 2 firsts and be done with it but they haven’t even gotten a weak offer like that. Honestly just to be off his contract I would really have to think about doing it for one 1st just to move on. Package that extra first with 1-2 of our own and go find a real starting center. We will take a loss, it’s just about if we take .75 cents on the dollar or .25 cents on the dollar. BI needs to humble himself just a tad and realize $175 million is still a shitload of money and gives his family generational wealth on top of what he’s already made in his 9 years of NVA ball. He’s just not a max guy but he’s worth $175 million to many teams as their #2 to a star on a max deal, preferably for him either a PG or C. He’s never going to be “the guy”, even on shite teams.
I think 175 will turn out to be a bad contract too. I think anything over 40 million/ year is an overpay and yes I’m factoring in the new cap rises.
His closest NBA comp is Demar Derozan, who news flash has never won shite, and BI is objectively a worse player than derozan. There’s no stats, traditional or advanced that say otherwise.
Demar just got a 3 year 75 million. That’s what BI is worth
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:42 am to New City Champ
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Anyone who has dealt with clients knows they can have a surprisingly irrational view of what things are worth
Well he's also literally the first guy facing this issue. It's hard to accept being the poster boy for reduced value generally in life, but when you're someone who is so competitive naturally and part of such an elite group, where small differences matter exponentially more than you'd think, I can only imagine how difficult this would be.
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I actually think BI's value in the new CBA-era is closer to $25-$30 million
Lol no
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:44 am to Balsamic_duck
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Demar just got a 3 year 75 million.
Because he's 1,000 years old.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well he's also literally the first guy facing this issue. It's hard to accept being the poster boy for reduced value generally in life, but when you're someone who is so competitive naturally and part of such an elite group, where small differences matter exponentially more than you'd think, I can only imagine how difficult this would be.
Ok Im sorry you want me to feel sorry for a guy who may make millions either way despite having one of his worst seasons? Come on man. Hes a big boy. The market is showing him his value and he won’t accept it. Pels are still offering decent money, as I’m sure other teams are as well. This “how difficult” it is for BI is a bunch of baloney.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:29 am to Pels_Yaz
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Ok Im sorry you want me to feel sorry
No.
I never said that
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The market is showing him his value and he won’t accept it.
The market is in flux due to recent market disruptions and he's a canary in the coal mine
It will take a few cycles to sort out.
BI is the inverse Allen Crabbe
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. I never said that
Ok. I ask because you stated “I cant imagine how difficult this would be.” Sounded like you felt empathy in a dilemma where he will be handsomely rewarded regardless of what contract he signs.
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The market is in flux due to recent market disruptions and he's a canary in the coal mine It will take a few cycles to sort out. BI is the inverse Allen Crabbe
Agreed but BI and his agent knew this. Supposedly, he passed up on an extension last summer and lost. They only have themselves to blame.
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