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re: Giannis Antetokounmpo could force his way out of Milwaukee

Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:53 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:53 am to
After Dec 15, Dort and Hartenstein works salary wise. The THunder have a billion picks so they could send like 10 picks.

They have 15 1sts and 22 2nds over the next 7 years.

But I imagine that Bucks want better players.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78298 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:53 am to
Thunder these picks:

2025:
UTA (11-30)
Heat (15-30)
Philly (7-30)
Options to swap their own pick with Swap with Houston (11-30) or Clippers.



2026:
the 2 most favorable of OKC/Houston (5-30)/ Clippers

2027:
Den (6-30)
OKC
Swap with LAC

2028
OKC
Dallas

and about a million 2nd rounders.

add in a player or 2 to make salary work for Giannis…
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
10687 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:55 am to
quote:

add in a player or 2 to make salary work for Giannis…


I don't think OKC can do it until Hartenstein is eligible to be traded.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:57 am to
quote:

If he's traded, the Bucks are rebuilding


Are they? Franchises like Indy and Milwaukee have always operated like poverty franchises that couldn't afford to do a proper rebuild, even after the new TV money. If the Pels get anything out of the Bucks picks I'm thinking it will be another Dyson Daniels type, not a Zion or BI replacement.

quote:


i'd trade Zion for him. Zion and Giannis won't work together. They are the same player (b/c they can't shoot 3's), minus the fact that one of them actually gives a shite about winning on both sides of the court.

Zion/Hawkins and give them back their 2026 swap and their 27th 1st, and if they wanted another first fine, I don't give a shite.
I want a lineup of Murray/Herb/Trey/Giannis and we can decide what we do with BI/CJ from there.


I completely agree with you here and I'm not sure Milwaukee gets a better offer unless they just want a ton of picks from OKC. The Pels would technically be shortening their window, but the window would actually be open.
Posted by PELsu
Member since Oct 2021
1712 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 11:10 am to
If the package were to include say, Zion and Herb, you could always turn those guys into picks from other teams. I have no doubt there are teams willing to give firsts for them if a pick package is a bigger incentive. And having some control over the Bucks picks has to be intriguing for them. I have no clue how we convince Giannis. Fun to think about though.

PG- Murray
SG- BI
SF- Murphy
PF- Giannis
C- Missi

Still with Cj. Team would be huge if nothing else.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Are they? Franchises like Indy and Milwaukee have always operated like poverty franchises that couldn't afford to do a proper rebuild, even after the new TV money. If the Pels get anything out of the Bucks picks I'm thinking it will be another Dyson Daniels type, not a Zion or BI replacement.



Yeah, rebuilding around the all-star they get back.
I don't mean full on rebuild and be terrible this year and next. They can't get good picks back b/c whoever they trade Giannis too will be really good. They have to get back a premium player back in the trade, and that guy with Lillard and whatever else they get will still be a good team at least this year.

Us holding their 26th and 27th first are pretty huge chips to have.
Who is goign to trade with them and be able to give back a top 10 pick? The second that team gets Giannis, they are title contenders. OKC's Clippers picks might be the best potential.
all those picks Brooklyn has amassed are all going to be picks in the 20's from other teams, and if Giannis is on Brooklyn, they are going to be good as well.



No one can beat a package of Zion and getting back their 26 and 27 1sts.
Posted by TeamCKennedy
Southern Illinois Baws
Member since Feb 2018
1535 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 12:53 pm to
Love Herb but this would be a top 5 team in the west. We don't have to worry about the Zion drama. And BI works better with that lineup
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
10687 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

But I imagine that Bucks want better players.


The Thunder could throw a shite ton of picks and a young player or two to put together a really good deal.


Maybe OKC offers: X number of firsts, Cason Wallace and Nikola Topic.

Chet would be the sticking point. Milwaukee would want him and OKC would not want to trade him.
This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

This pick might convey to Atlanta. The Dejounte Murray trade is looking worse and worse.

The pick sent to Atlanta in that deal is the worse of Milwaukee pick and our pick.

So say Milwaukee ends up with pick 3 and we end up with pick 24, Atlanta would get pick 24.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
10687 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

The pick sent to Atlanta in that deal is the worse of Milwaukee pick and our pick.

So say Milwaukee ends up with pick 3 and we end up with pick 24, Atlanta would get pick 24.


Do Pels have some protection on that pick?

For example, what if Pels and Bucks picks were both in the top 10?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

For example, what if Pels and Bucks picks were both in the top 10?

No protections, so say if we end up 8 and 9 in the draft, Atlanta would get 9.

Highly unlikely that happens though, which is why they put the language of least favorable of the two picks.
Posted by BengalShark
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

don’t know if you noticed but it’s a train wreck here also


Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11225 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

Chet would be the sticking point. Milwaukee would want him and OKC would not want to trade him


I said San Antonio the other day. But how about the Rockets? Rockets could offer Vanvleet, to match contracts, then the Bucks can pick their favorite 3 young players (Thompson, Green, Sengun, Eason, Smith, Sheppard, or Whitmore) plus a couple of picks.

That's my new favorite. Giannis would love Houston and they have more than enough left to build around him..
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 2:26 pm to
Yeah Houston has some solid pieces they can offer, but no one can match our offer if we are trading Zion. The most important thing to get back is a good young player, and OKC isn't trading Chet, SAS isnt' trading Wemby, and Houston doesn't have anyone at Zion's level. Sengun would be the closest.

The problem with OKC is they'd have to trade Jalen Williams, and then they'd have to gut their depth just so they can get near the incoming salary to make the trade work.
They'd have to include Hartenstein, so Hartenstein/Williams/Dieng and picks would get Milwaukee out of the 2nd apron, and keep OKC just under the tax and make a legal trade.
But what direction is Milwuakee going with that trade?
Still a tax team and would need to unload Lillard in the offseason for picks and they still don't have any lottery picks in the next few years b/c we get their picks if they aren't good, and OKC doesn't have any lottery picks to offer to them with the gobs of future 1sts they have.

I'm telling you, no one can offer more than we can if Zion is on the table, and he absolutely should be if we are talking about getting Giannis.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55922 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Bucks pick 1-4 (we have 5-30)
guys it’s the opposite. We have bucks pick if it lands 1-4. Outside of that it’s the nets.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33080 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 2:52 pm to
Let’s literally trade our top 8 guys for Giannis and pay for their salaries
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11225 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Houston doesn't have anyone at Zion's level. Sengun would be the closest.


Ehh I don't know about all of that. I'd take Sengun straight up over Zion right now. But I'm not sure how others feel. They have others pieces as well though. If the Rockets offered Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, Eason (along with Vanvleet, huge expiring), plus 2-3 1sts; I think that beats any deal we can put together, unless we add in Murphy. A package with Zion, Murphy and Hawkins, plus 2-3 1sts is pretty strong..
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25966 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 3:08 pm to
Zion/hawk/jre/karlo

For giannis.

Add all the picks needed. I don't care.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
25966 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

I'd take Sengun straight up over Zion right now.


Sengun is soft as baby shite. No thanks.

Some of yall are taking a 4 game sample size waaaay too far with your opinions of z
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