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re: Former Pel, AD traded to Mavericks
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:39 am to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:39 am to Dinky Mulberry
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I think the Mavs just did...what the Pels shoulda done...a coupla years ago. They do NOT think as highly of Doncic as most everybody else does.
I agree with the Mavs...Luka is entertaining...but that's about it.
They just went to the finals.
quote:
The baggage that Luka brings to the Mavs is obviously NOT something the Mavs wanted to deal with for the next several years.
Sure he'll win MVP but he'll be doughy in training camp. Why are people losing their minds and talking like he's Zion?
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 10:40 am
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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They think they can win now.
Your logic makes sense if they are trading Kleiber and 3 picks for AD to pair with Luka and Kyrie.
It makes no sense for Doncic. They are MAYBE better this year because of the injury. They are worse for the next decade after that.
Just give up. There’s literally no defending this. It’s a top 10 worst trade in modern sports history.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:47 am to RUFshreve
AD has to be hurt to have to leave LA 
Bring out the "That's All Folks" shirts please
Bring out the "That's All Folks" shirts please
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:51 am to Fun Bunch
They didn't want to pay him 5/350 and his weight and conditioning has become an issue. Hamstring injuries have become an issue.
Trading him isn't the issue, the part of not making a bidding war is and the fact that the gm has close ties with pelinka says enough thay it was collusion imho
Trading him isn't the issue, the part of not making a bidding war is and the fact that the gm has close ties with pelinka says enough thay it was collusion imho
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:52 am to BigPerm30
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I agree with the Mavs...Luka is entertaining...but that's about it. The baggage that Luka brings to the Mavs is obviously NOT something the Mavs wanted to deal with for the next several years. As a wise man once said, "NIP IT...NIP IT IN THE BUD !!!"
Ok, I don’t agree but if that statement is true, why wouldn’t you cast a wide net and get as many assets as possible? You call two teams? that’s fricking stupid.
Yep...I agree it looks kinda stupid. All I can come up with is that the Mavs started by going after their top choice of the Greek Freek...then when Bucks had no interest...they went after their 2nd choice.
Only leverage I could see the Mavs had to work with by doing it this way...would be telling Bucks and Lakers...we're offering you the deal first...if you don't take it immediately...we're going "public" and you'll be competing with every other NBA team.
JMO..the Mavs REALLY wanted the Freek (obviously their first choice) or AD...and just as obviously, were totally fed up with Luka (we should know how they feel in that respect)
I assume the Mavs think they can immediately be serious playoff contenders if they can add one of those 2 players...and they've decided to go the "defensive route". Many (including me) think the Mavs in the finals last year was a bit of a fluke and the Mavs had absolutely NO chance vs the Celtics...bottom line...Mavs were sick & tired of being sick & tired...with Luka.
I agree with the Mavs...Luka is entertaining...but that's about it. The baggage that Luka brings to the Mavs is obviously NOT something the Mavs wanted to deal with for the next several years. As a wise man once said, "NIP IT...NIP IT IN THE BUD !!!"
Ok, I don’t agree but if that statement is true, why wouldn’t you cast a wide net and get as many assets as possible? You call two teams? that’s fricking stupid.
Yep...I agree it looks kinda stupid. All I can come up with is that the Mavs started by going after their top choice of the Greek Freek...then when Bucks had no interest...they went after their 2nd choice.
Only leverage I could see the Mavs had to work with by doing it this way...would be telling Bucks and Lakers...we're offering you the deal first...if you don't take it immediately...we're going "public" and you'll be competing with every other NBA team.
JMO..the Mavs REALLY wanted the Freek (obviously their first choice) or AD...and just as obviously, were totally fed up with Luka (we should know how they feel in that respect)
I assume the Mavs think they can immediately be serious playoff contenders if they can add one of those 2 players...and they've decided to go the "defensive route". Many (including me) think the Mavs in the finals last year was a bit of a fluke and the Mavs had absolutely NO chance vs the Celtics...bottom line...Mavs were sick & tired of being sick & tired...with Luka.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:22 am to Dinky Mulberry
It’s just a terrible return.
They could have gotten so much more.
I can come up with a package from almost every tram in the league that would beat out a package centered on old arse ruffles.
Put Luca on the block and it’s a straight up league wide bidding war.
This is the stupidest trade in nba history
They could have gotten so much more.
I can come up with a package from almost every tram in the league that would beat out a package centered on old arse ruffles.
Put Luca on the block and it’s a straight up league wide bidding war.
This is the stupidest trade in nba history
Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:40 am to ghost2most
Member when moving Jimmy Butler was supposed to be the biggest move this deadline?
I member.
JFC, what’s next?
I member.
JFC, what’s next?
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:12 pm to BigPerm30
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why wouldn’t you cast a wide net and get as many assets as possible? You call two teams? that’s fricking stupid.
The problem is that it doesn't work like that. Once word got out that Luka was on the market, his agent would have been telling everyone that Luca is only going to play for Team X and Team Y, and that other teams had better not trade for him.
Dallas really might have lost leverage by letting it be known that Luka was available.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:14 pm to ghost2most
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They could have gotten so much more.
They got exactly what they wanted. It was about money, pure and simple.They can pretend to contend for the next couple of years while saving hundreds of millions of dollars in luxury tax payments. They saw the cost of the Warriors and Celtics and were like, nah I'm good.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:15 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The problem is that it doesn't work like that. Once word got out that Luka was on the market, his agent would have been telling everyone that Luca is only going to play for Team X and Team Y, and that other teams had better not trade for him. Dallas really might have lost leverage by letting it be known that Luka was available.
This is why you don’t let it be known, you just call up a team like San Antonio or OKC and tell them you will give them Luka for XXX players and 10 picks.
For instance say OKC, tell them you want Jalen Williams, Chet and 5-10 picks, OKC would jump all over that
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:19 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I could see LeBron saying..."I'm taking my talents to....??? (fill in the blank)
South Beach
Out with Jimmy Butler. In with LeBron.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:24 pm to htran90
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the part of not making a bidding war is and the fact that the gm has close ties with pelinka says enough thay it was collusion imho
I'm conflicted on this. Because reports are out there that they went after Giannis first. Now, that could be just an attempt to avoid any appearance of collusion.
Some GMs have a better relationship with others. I'm not sure that itself constitutes collusion. Because they did try to trade him somewhere else.
In any event, no chance in hell the NBA does anything about it.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:26 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The problem is that it doesn't work like that. Once word got out that Luka was on the market, his agent would have been telling everyone that Luca is only going to play for Team X and Team Y, and that other teams had better not trade for him.
Yep, don't give Luka and his people time to spin his own narrative and try and devalue himself.
I'm disgusted at this trade but I kinda get why it played out like it did
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:30 pm to htran90
He averages 67 games a year and just went on a finals run. There's really no justification here.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:30 pm to Soggymoss
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This is why you don’t let it be known, you just call up a team
That's basically what they did.
Once Lebron/Klutch found out about this they'd tank the deal and Luka would demand specific destinations, which thwarts the plan they had.
I imagine if LAL says no, like MIL, they may make one more call (ORL) and call it a day.
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For instance say OKC
I can't be the only one who thinks OKC wouldn't sell huge for Luka. He doesn't fit anything they do there at all and clashes with the superior player (SGA)
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:31 pm to mhasen1
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.They can pretend to contend for the next couple of years while saving hundreds of millions of dollars in luxury tax payments. They saw the cost of the Warriors and Celtics and were like, nah I'm good.
The tax and 2nd apron are unheralded aspects of this deal. This may be starting new precedents from the George/AD deals
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:32 pm to tigerfan84
No way the league didn’t push for this
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:there’s still likely to be more than one team that wants him. That at least does something to drive the price up
Team X and Team Y
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:08 pm to htran90
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Trading him isn't the issue, the part of not making a bidding war is and the fact that the gm has close ties with pelinka says enough thay it was collusion imho
Exactly. Luka would have brought back probably the biggest return in nba history.
Malpractice was what this gm did. Teams like OKC wound have turned in their war chest.
This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:12 pm to Townedrunkard
So.. reports are they were frustrated with his lack of discipline and diet which led to being injured. That sounds familiar
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