re: ESPN: Pels just a player away from upper elechon Super Team

Davis slight edge? You're really slipping there

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lots of teams have had top 5 or so PFs and Cs together

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There are 2 that would meet this qualification, the Pels and Clippers. I guess Jokic and Millsap in Denver might qualify depending on how highly you rate Millsap.

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this radical alignmemt playing these two together.

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The staggering is going to be real. The Clippers and Nuggets may have 2 top 5 PF/Cs, but they are not interchangeable like AD/DC are. Millsap and Blake are not going to anchor your defense when Jokic and Jordan are out. Jordan is not going to lead the offense when Blake is out. I really think staggering is going to be a nice advantage for the Pels. No more bench units giving up leads but hopefully adding on to the lead.

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I was talking about pairings through the years. But even now, Gobert and Favors, Aldridge and Gasol (probably too old now), the pair in Orlando (Gordon had a monster year), you already mentioned the guys in Denver..

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And which historical pairings had 2 bigs that are both skilled and big enough to be interchangeable? This hasn't been seen in the league since The Admiral and Tim Duncan and having both bigs in their primes is something that the league probably hasn't seen since the black and white TV days when there were like 8 teams.

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Griffin is way undervalued. He is a top 3 PF and a top 10 player in the league.

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He's nowhere near top 10. That is laughable

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lebron
KD
Steph
Kawhi
Goatbrook
Harden
AD

7 undeniables in top 10.

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This is correct

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3 left are pretty debatable... none of which i think includes griffin. Kyrie, KAT, and Lillard make 3 alone.

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KAT
Lillard
Irving
Antetokounmpo
DeRozan
George
Butler
Wall
Cousins

After those is when you can start to debate.

Chris Paul and Klay Thompson should be ahead of Griffin as well. Top 10 is very laughable.

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KAT
Lillard
Irving
Antetokounmpo
DeRozan
George
Butler
Wall
Cousins

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Before Griffin?
KAT - just as bad defensively, but offensively he spaces a lot better and doesn't need the ball often to be as effective.

Lillard - one of the best combo guards in the league, can shoot better than anyone not named curry. defensively, poor

Irving - same as above

Giannis - one of the new up and comers. Dude is lanky AF, can defend very well, can finish at the rim, can make defenses pay, can run the point, can rebound. he can do everything except shoot.

DeRozan - dude can attack the rim with the best of them. run the offense through him and things can happen. he's also a decent defender but rarely gets credit for it.

George and Butler - Amazing SFs arguably top 5 at their position. they can do it all. arguably the most complete SFs of this list.

Wall - top 3 PG, defends well, runs the point well, shoots well, finishes well.

Cousins - top 3 center, offensively he can do EVERYTHING from under the rim to the 3pt line. He can also pass the ball as a secondary handler. Defensively his effort dwindles when he gets railed by the officials, but offensively he's just someone who straight dominates even if he doesn't need to hold onto the ball.

So Griffin is behind Cousins? Lets compare, they have both been in the league 7 seasons..

Cousins-
2x all nba, 3x all star, never been on a winning team or been to the playoffs
Career avgs- 21/10/3/1 on 46% shooting

Griffin-
ROTY, 4x all nba, 5x all star, 6 straight winning seasons and playoff appearances
Career avgs- 21/9/4 on 51% shooting

Now please tell me again how Cousins is the better player..

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So Griffin is behind Cousins? Lets compare, they have both been in the league 7 seasons..

Cousins-
2x all nba, 3x all star, never been on a winning team or been to the playoffs
Career avgs- 21/10/3/1 on 46% shooting

Griffin-
ROTY, 4x all nba, 5x all star, 6 straight winning seasons and playoff appearances
Career avgs- 21/9/4 on 51% shooting

Now please tell me again how Cousins is the better player..

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Being on a winning team gives you more 'accolades' over deserving players, even if you're the 2nd or 3rd fiddle on a stellar team. Griffin was a top 5 player, MVP candidate but that was 3-4 years ago.

Cousins never had a top 5 player or top 5 guard in the league on his team at the same time, Griffin had CP3 for all 6 playoff appearances and never won less than 50 games (Not including the shortened year). People think New Orleans has been mismanaged, but compared to Sacramento we look competent.

Over 60% of Griffin's shots are assisted and of his shots, 14% are dunks, that's quality point guard play.

Cousins on the other hand doesn't even break 50% and only 7% are dunks, that shows you poor point guard play and why he had to continue to expand his game to be an even bigger ball handler.

Griffin's starting PGs: Davis/Williams and Paul
Cousins' starting PGs: Evans, Thomas, Collison, Rondo, and Lawson

Also please keep going off career accolades and stats..the biggest thing about Griffin is how he's failed to improve his game or stayed stagnant the last few years, Cousins on the other hand has been improving.

3-4 years ago, I'd easily say Griffin > Cousins. But this isn't then, its today and today Cousins is a 27/11/4 player who can shoot and space outside while being a solid ball handler. Griffin on the other hand is an a 22/8/5 PF who is also a solid ball handler, but is considered injury prone and hasn't finished a full playoff series in over 2 years.