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re: Draft Discussion
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:56 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:56 pm to NOSHAU
I’d consider Kira to be a late first, considering he has one less year of rookie scale and was a lot worse than a guy picked 19 last year, Maxey. He has flashes and potential no doubt, but he’s 2 years away from being a replacement level player. If we are being honest with ourselves,,He has a less than 10% chance to ever become as good Sexton is currently at age 22.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 3:23 pm
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Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:03 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I don't know about Maxey. But Lewis has an elite skill. He is possibly the fastest guy in the league. If he can unharness that somehow, he has a chance to stand out. This year should tell the tale, as he should get plenty of minutes. But it's not fair to compare him with Sexton. He hasn't had those opportunities yet. I'd prefer Lewis's upside and positional value at this point..
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:17 pm to brmark70816
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But Lewis has an elite skill. He is possibly the fastest guy in the league
This does you no good if you can't use it to finish at the rim, or create easy opportunities for you teammates.
He's not going to be a bad player in the league, but i don't ever see him being a starting PG on a good playoff caliber roster.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:22 pm to brmark70816
Maxey’s elite skills are strength and love of the game. Guy really loves it. He also just knows how to play. He may not be as fast as Kira, but he has a good pace about him, knows how to use his body to create driving/finishing angles, etc. If he got more minutes in the last series, Philly would still be in it.
Quickley is another guy that got picked 25th that was more nba ready than Kira.
Quickley is another guy that got picked 25th that was more nba ready than Kira.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
Way too premature to make an assumption like that. He was a really young rookie who is nowhere near his ideal physical peak. His biggest issues right now is weight and strength which will come in time. He showed enough flashes to see why he was selected where he was. The same shite y'all were sprouting with NAW after his rookie season. Give him 3 years for a proper evaluation.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:24 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I liked Maxey and Quickley a lot. Kentucky guards seem to do way better in the NBA than college. But I want to see Kira have a full off-season where he gets to improve and gain weight. I like his potential.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:10 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Quickley is another guy that got picked 25th that was more nba ready than Kira.
Mid-lottery picks are usually high ceiling low floor players that are less NBA ready, but have boatloads of potential.
Late 1st picks are high floor low ceiling guys that usually amount to nothing more than being steady role players, but nothing more than that. Kira has far more potential than Maxey or Quickley, he will just take time to develop. Kid was the 9th youngest player in the NBA last season.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:10 pm to supe12sta12z
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Way too premature to make an assumption like that. He was a really young rookie who is nowhere near his ideal physical peak. His biggest issues right now is weight and strength which will come in time. He showed enough flashes to see why he was selected where he was. The same shite y'all were sprouting with NAW after his rookie season. Give him 3 years for a proper evaluation.
Did Darren Collison get bigger? Some guys don't get bigger. Kira is short, and skinny. He's not getting any taller.
NAW looked great in the summer league, and he's shown flashes of beign a starter throughout his time so far. Kira's size is a big detriment to his cieling in the NBA. I just can't see him being a starter.
Like others have said, you've seen flashes from Maxey and Quickly, guys like Desmond Bane and Saddiq Bey. I havent' seen anything from Kira that makes me think he can be a starter, although i do agree he wasn't given enough opportunities this year.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
Collision was a fricking 22 year old rookie at that size. Kira was a 19 year rookie. Let him reach 22 before you start chirping how he can or can't do this or that for fricks sake.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:58 pm to supe12sta12z
Collison also 2.7 turnovers a game as a rookie, compared to Kira's 0.6 on a little more than half the minutes
Kira has one skill that no other guard on this team has..... HE DOESN'T TURN THE frickIN BALL OVER
Kira has one skill that no other guard on this team has..... HE DOESN'T TURN THE frickIN BALL OVER
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/22/21 at 5:18 pm to jmcwhrter
Kira is a low turnover guy, but part of it is, he was always the 3rd, 4th or 5th option on the court and he’s a bit passive.
Our offense was basically being run entirely through Collison that year, so I think the Collison vs Kira comparison is a pretty unfair comp on the whole.
Side Note- WTF happened to Collison? He’d be a nice backup guard, but he retired like 4 years too early imo.
Our offense was basically being run entirely through Collison that year, so I think the Collison vs Kira comparison is a pretty unfair comp on the whole.
Side Note- WTF happened to Collison? He’d be a nice backup guard, but he retired like 4 years too early imo.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 5:20 pm to supe12sta12z
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Collision was a fricking 22 year old rookie at that size. Kira was a 19 year rookie. Let him reach 22 before you start chirping how he can or can't do this or that for fricks sake.
I"m talking about growing. physically growing.
He's actually already gotten a bit bulkier since leaving college. He's not going to get much bigger if any.
His size is going to limit what he can do as a defensive player in the playoffs. Guys that small need to have an overwhelming impact offensively to offset the defense.
I"m not saying Kira can't turn into an nba starter, but given what we know, and what little we've seen, it's my dumbass opinion that he won't be a high quality nba starter. Would love to be wrong. Just giving my opinion, however dumb it may be.
The only reason i mentioned Collison is b/c that's who i've been saying i think Kira turns into. WE had a long thread about this already. Kira is not going to turn into DeAron Fox. He simply doesn't have that kind of athleticism. But that doesnt' mean he can't turn into a really good nba player, and possible starter. If he develops a good 3 point shot, controls an offense limiting turnovers, develop a repour with Zion and Jaxson in a PNR, and is a pest on defense, he without a doubt can be a starter on a good playoff team.
It irritates me that we don't have anyone pressuring the opposing teams PG as the bring it up. Making a team start their offense 2-4 seconds later than they normally would can make a big difference.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 5:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
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irritates me that we don't have anyone pressuring the opposing teams PG as the bring it up.
its a team game and stan could not get them to gaf. they showed little interest in team defense.
wheres Duke defense Zion we wondered.
Kira cant defend in a league where Carry is allowed. control the ball and no one can defend huge guys bringing the ball up.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 7:45 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I proposed this trade the other day. I would easily do this. We need to win now, we can't wait on pick 10 or Kira to develop (not to mention the future pick). Sexton can score and handle the ball for us now.
10, Kira, Future First for Mr Collin Sexton
ETA: I think it also helps us that the most likely bpa at 3 is going to be a guard (Suggs or Green) and the Cavs already have Garland.
ETA2: I've heard people say that the playoffs are showing how much offense is more important than defense. If that's the case, let's go all in on offense. Bring in Sexton with that trade, sign and trade Lonzo for a future asset to attempt to re-coup some of the asset loss from the Sexton trade, and start NAW next to Sexton.
Hayes
Zion
Ingram
NAW
Sexton
That's an explosive team, that can't defend for dick, but it may not matter
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:07 am to Epic Cajun
Yeah Cleveland is going to be in a tough position if they draft Suggs or Green. Either one of those guys or Sexton will be coming off the bench then. And Sexton is in a contract year this season.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:12 am to kadillak
Depends on what Houston does.
If Houston goes with Green or Suggs, I see Cleveland going Mobley.
If Houston goes with Green or Suggs, I see Cleveland going Mobley.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:14 am to Fun Bunch
I just want a guy who doesn’t take 2 years to effing develop.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:18 am to duyp
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I just want a guy who doesn’t take 2 years to effing develop.
Those guys are rare, and most guys take multiple years to develop if they ever do (most don't at all).
Hence, trading the pick.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:20 am to TeddyPadillac
Kira is Dennis Schroeder to me, without being as erratic with the ball in his hands.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/23/21 at 9:22 am to kadillak
Updated the OP with the picks we will have.
Wasserman released a full two round mock after the lottery last night. He has us picking Keldon Johnson. Moody and Giddey were his next two picks and I would be mad if we took Keldon over them.
There were some absurd Combine results yesterday.
Thor is a 6'9" shot blocking PF with a 7'3" wingspan and good shooting stroke. Turns 19 in August. Wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a late lotto guy.
Sims is 6'10".....
EJ Onu measured a 7'8.5" wingspan
Wasserman released a full two round mock after the lottery last night. He has us picking Keldon Johnson. Moody and Giddey were his next two picks and I would be mad if we took Keldon over them.
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The New Orleans Pelicans can add an explosive slasher and tough defender in Keon Johnson.
They shouldn't count on First Team All-Rookie production for 2021-22, with the 19-year-old lagging in the creation and shooting departments. But Johnson figures to immediately put pressure on opponents at both ends with his athleticism and aggressiveness.
There is a wide range of outcomes for the 19-year-old, depending on his skill development from here. That could cause some teams to hesitate, despite the upside that kicks in if he's able to sharpen his handle and jumper.
But over the second half of the season, Johnson did look more comfortable making tougher shots and playmaking for teammates.
There were some absurd Combine results yesterday.
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JT Thor with a 3.06 three quarter court sprint, which is the same time as Lonnie Walker, and is faster than:
DJ Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Darren Collison, Jodie Meeks, John Wall, Brandon Knight, Shane Larkin, Derrick White, Tremont Waters, Jordan Bone, and Grant Riller.
Thor is a 6'9" shot blocking PF with a 7'3" wingspan and good shooting stroke. Turns 19 in August. Wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a late lotto guy.
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Players with the longest wingspans relative to their height
Moses Moody (+8.5”)
Scottie Lewis (+8”)
Miles McBride (+7.75”)
Scottie Barnes (+7.75”)
Nah’Shon Hyland (+7.25”)
Yves Pons (+7.25”)
Isaiah Mobley (+7”)
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Jericho Sims with a 44.5" max vertical, which if accurate ties for the highest (w/ Hamidou Diallo) at NBA combine over last 20 years
Sims is 6'10".....
EJ Onu measured a 7'8.5" wingspan
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This would also make him tied for the 4th longest wingspan in the NBA currently with Rudy Gobert. Only trailing Tacko Fall, Boban Marjanovic, and Mo Bamba.
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