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re: Draft Discussion
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:51 pm to Macintosh
Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:51 pm to Macintosh
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I’d imagine trading the pick would be for a player
My issue with this is if we stay at 10 or slip to 11 what sort of player are we getting? I can't help but think that the pick wouldn't have a ton of value. Even if you attach more picks to it, what kind of value does that hold?
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 6/22/21 at 1:51 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:im assuming it would be put in a package of other assets. Just depends what kind of player we’re trying to get
My issue with this is if we stay at 10 or slip to 11 what sort of player are we getting
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:01 pm to CP3forMVP
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My issue with this is if we stay at 10 or slip to 11 what sort of player are we getting? I can't help but think that the pick wouldn't have a ton of value. Even if you attach more picks to it, what kind of value does that hold?
Doesn't matter.
He's getting a vet. I promise you.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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All I know is that Griffin isn't going to wait on another rookie at 10 or 11 to develop for 3 years.
He's going to go for vets.
Well Griffin is an idiot.
You don't have to trade away this years pick to add a good veteran player.
Phoenix didn't trade their 2020 pick, or even their 2021 pick to get CP3. He pushed them over the edge.
It's not often you get to make a top 10 pick, and for us it should be the last time for a long time. Make the god damn pick. Unless you are trading for a star, there is absolutely no reason you need to trade this years pick to go after veterans in a trade. I'd trade Kira before i trade this years pick.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:04 pm to CP3forMVP
I don't understand this stance. Lewis was around #10 last year and I had a ton more interest in watching him develop than vets like Bledsoe and Adams. Young guys are gambles. But you never know when you might hit it big and they turn into something special. Almost never happens with long tenured players..
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:09 pm to brmark70816
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I don't understand this stance. Lewis was around #10 last year and I had a ton more interest in watching him develop than vets like Bledsoe and Adams. Young guys are gambles. But you never know when you might hit it big and they turn into something special. Almost never happens with long tenured players..
The guy we get (if we use the pick) will definitely be intriguing to watch. That's not my argument. My argument is guys like Kira, Haliburton, Vassell, etc all went after 10 last season, which really shows the depth last years draft had. Obviously someone could surprise, but there's no prospect after say the first 6 or 7 that even remotely intrigues me as much as the guys I mentioned earlier. So when you think about that in terms of the value of this years pick, how much lower is pick #10 valued this year then it was last year? Considerably, imo.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Well Griffin is an idiot.
That might be true, but I'm just letting you know what is going to happen if we are picking at 10-12 (and possibly even 2-4).
Also, while I value picks and rookies, people on here tend to overvalue them a little (or a lot...).
There's a place for rookies, and there is a place for trading for vets.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:10 pm to brmark70816
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Lewis was around #10 last year and I had a ton more interest in watching him develop
Cool. Griffin can't wait on a guy to develop anymore.
He needs to win. This year.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:16 pm to CP3forMVP
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It's not often you get to make a top 10 pick, and for us it should be the last time for a long time. Make the god damn pick. Unless you are trading for a star, there is absolutely no reason you need to trade this years pick to go after veterans in a trade. I'd trade Kira before i trade this years pick.
Agreed. I do think we will trade the pick, but I think it's going to be a terrible decision unless we get an absolute stud vet, which I don't expect.
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My issue with this is if we stay at 10 or slip to 11 what sort of player are we getting? I can't help but think that the pick wouldn't have a ton of value. Even if you attach more picks to it, what kind of value does that hold?
The value of pick 10 or 11 can change a ton between now and draft night though. All it takes is one team to reaaaallly like one guy at that spot or for someone to slip from injury/character concerns (Michael Porter Jr) to want that 10th pick and grab them if we don't want to take the gamble. This point in the process last year, Patrick Williams was regarded as a late lotto guy. Got to the player interviews and workouts and shot up to #4.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
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Cool. Griffin can't wait on a guy to develop anymore.
He needs to win. This year.
I think it's kind of irrelevant because the trade would likely be more than just pick + salary but if the move were that simple, I don't think you could land a player that actually moves the needle.
I guess the tricky part is if you want to move #10 for a player that moves the needle, what do you package with it? NAW/Hayes/Kira? How many future picks?
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:23 pm to CP3forMVP
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I don't think you could land a player that actually moves the needle.
The question would be, would this player be more ready to contribute to winning than the 10th overall pick RIGHT AWAY.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:24 pm to kadillak
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The value of pick 10 or 11 can change a ton between now and draft night though. All it takes is one team to reaaaallly like one guy at that spot or for someone to slip from injury/character concerns (Michael Porter Jr) to want that 10th pick and grab them if we don't want to take the gamble. This point in the process last year, Patrick Williams was regarded as a late lotto guy. Got to the player interviews and workouts and shot up to #4.
You're right about that, but I also think the intrigue with Pat Williams was always there. It didn't take long for people to start debating if he would be there when we selected or not. You're definitely right about all it takes is one team to fall in love with someone, but I'm having difficulty finding a guy that a team falls in love with enough to give up valuable assets for him.
Scottie Barnes may be the obvious answer, but I think most assume he won't be there at #10 anyway. I think James Bouknight is a name to keep an eye on.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:25 pm to CP3forMVP
10, Kira, Future First for Mr Collin Sexton
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:28 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Sexton is not worth 3 first round picks, not even close.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:35 pm to Soggymoss
Sexton had a monster year. It is a bunch of empty stats on a losing team. But so were a lot of guys. It would take a haul to get him. 3 picks is probably about right..
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:39 pm to brmark70816
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It would take a haul to get him
No, no it wouldn't. There's a reason one of the worst teams in the league that drafted him doesn't even want to re-sign him.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:40 pm to brmark70816
quote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about Sexton especially with his pending deal but you are correct. It's tough as a Pels fan to say Sexton has empty stats while talking up Ingram in his 5th season AND with a historic 20 year old on his squad and not able to get us even to a 10th seed. If we're doing empty stats, you can't really argue against stating BI gives us empty stats especially as a dude in year 5.
Sexton had a monster year. It is a bunch of empty stats on a losing team. But so were a lot of guys
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:42 pm to brmark70816
Right, Trae and D Book used to be considered empty stat guys. Ingram is an empty stat guy and I’m sure everyone on this board would expect more than 3 firsts for him. Zion is also technically an empty stat guy as none of his record beeaking performances has actually led to winning.
Collin is a 3 level scorer and A plus ballhandler. Those are valuable skills in this league. We’d win a lot of games with a Sexton, Ingram and Zion.
Best part of Sexton’s game are off the bounce 3’s ,mid ranges, floaters and tough layups.
Kira can’t hit any of those types of shots to save his life yet, so you have to add at least 2 picks to Kira for Cleve to even pick up the phone.
We make this trade and we still have 11 firsts in the next 7 years to work with and we are in a much better position team wise.
The days of trading 1-2 firsts for a truly impact guy are over.
Collin is a 3 level scorer and A plus ballhandler. Those are valuable skills in this league. We’d win a lot of games with a Sexton, Ingram and Zion.
Best part of Sexton’s game are off the bounce 3’s ,mid ranges, floaters and tough layups.
Kira can’t hit any of those types of shots to save his life yet, so you have to add at least 2 picks to Kira for Cleve to even pick up the phone.
We make this trade and we still have 11 firsts in the next 7 years to work with and we are in a much better position team wise.
The days of trading 1-2 firsts for a truly impact guy are over.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:43 pm to Soggymoss
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Sexton is not worth 3 first round picks, not even close.
That is two picks by my count.
If you are counting Kira as "a pick", then I think we should trade a 2022 and 2024 first and Bledsoe and Adams for Lillard. That's 4 1st round picks!
Posted on 6/22/21 at 2:51 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I would certainly include Kira as the equivalent of a 1st given he was just picked last year.
That is two picks by my count.
If you are counting Kira as "a pick", then I think we should trade a 2022 and 2024 first and Bledsoe and Adams for Lillard. That's 4 1st round picks!
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