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re: Draft Discussion
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:30 am to duyp
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:30 am to duyp
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Agreed. Most of them were disappointing in the tournament. Especially Kispert and Moody.
and with that said I still think Moody is far and away my favorite prospect in our draft range. I like Tre Mann as well, though I haven't seen him defensively admittedly.
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:34 am to CP3forMVP
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I'll be honest, more I look at this class the more I meh on it. Really good at the top, but fizzles pretty quickly.
I think the prospects lay out similarly to the 2018 class. I really like Cade, Mobley, and Green. I'm not as high on Suggs as most people are, but I'm also not as low on Kuminga as people have been in recent weeks given his age and competition level. I don't know that any one in this class reaches Luka's level, but then again, no one expected Luka to be this good, this quickly. I think there's going to be a lot of upside all down the lottery. Beyond that, there seems to be a lot of depth again in this class that'll provide a number of second round guys who will carve out long term roles.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:38 am to kadillak
It's just difficult with role guys because either they develop after they've moved on or you have to pay them a large amount. Look at Mikal Bridges, or even Lonzo to a lesser extent. That's why I would swing for the fences, with guys like Moody.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:42 am to duyp
Which is an indictment on Kispert way more. He’s an upperclassman on a stacked team and didn’t show up. Moody was a frosh on a surprise Arky squad that he carried.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:51 am to kadillak
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I'm not as high on Suggs as most people are
This. Suggs even wasn't the best player on his own Gonzaga team (he was apparently the third best player)...I doubt Suggs must be a top 5 pick.
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I'm also not as low on Kuminga as people have been in recent weeks given his age and competition level
The main issue with Kuminga is his shooting.
However, he has athleticism and IQ to become an elite defender in nba of what i have seen in G-league.
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no one expected Luka to be this good, this quickly
Luka won everything in Europe...He was already winning at 14 even when he wasn't yet a pro... When you're already the best player in all the teams you play, it's because you're really elite... Especially since the level in Euroleague has increased compared to before...
That's why I wouldn't hesitate to draft players like Garuba or Sengun.
They probably don't have Luka Doncic's level but you know that you will at least have very good roleplayers with them (if not serious injuries)
Posted on 5/17/21 at 1:14 pm to nicj4
Kai Jones. He is Jaxson with a three point shot.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 1:20 pm to ErikGordan
quote:so you wanna invest more assets into big men that wont contribute immediately. Nice...
Kai Jones. He is Jaxson with a three point shot.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 1:49 pm to CP3forMVP
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It's just difficult with role guys because either they develop after they've moved on or you have to pay them a large amount. Look at Mikal Bridges, or even Lonzo to a lesser extent. That's why I would swing for the fences, with guys like Moody.
Yeah, that's true except I would be more than ok with giving Mikal a big pay day.
What do you see Moody's ceiling being though? I think he's a solid prospect, but I'm not seeing him as a swing for the fences candidate, but that's just my perspective.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:40 am to kadillak
Some recent draft content --
Jonathan Wasserman did a "best landing spot" and "worst landing spot" for several of the lottery prospects ( LINK). The Pels didn't land on anyone's worst landing spot, but did for a couple of best landing spots...
Kevin O'Connor released a new mock draft selecting Kispert at #10 for the Pels. LINK
And Wasserman did a mock with a lottery simulation that landed the Pels at #4, taking Suggs ( LINK)
Jonathan Wasserman did a "best landing spot" and "worst landing spot" for several of the lottery prospects ( LINK). The Pels didn't land on anyone's worst landing spot, but did for a couple of best landing spots...
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Keon Johnson
Best landing spot: New Orleans Pelicans
The New Orleans Pelicans have young stars and a need to plug role-player gaps with impact, low-maintenance players. Johnson fits that description and would give the lineup an explosive slasher and perimeter defender.
Raw offensively at 19 years, he could play to his strengths early off the bench, providing athleticism and energy in a spark role. Eventually, Johnson can leapfrog or replace Eric Bledsoe to play off Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram.
The lineup would value his off-ball scoring and defensive pressure.
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Moses Moody
Best landing spot: New Orleans Pelicans
The Orlando Magic wouldn't be a bad landing spot, but the Pelicans are too far ahead roster-wise, and they could also offer a sizable role that suits his skill set.
With an offense already built around Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram, Moody could play to his strengths as an off-ball shot-maker. He doesn't need many dribbles to score, a valuable trait for a 2-guard in a lineup that already has multiple go-to options.
The Pelicans could use his shooting off spot-ups and screens for offense and spacing.
Kevin O'Connor released a new mock draft selecting Kispert at #10 for the Pels. LINK
quote:
NEW ORLEANS PELICANS | Corey Kispert
Even though he already dominates the paint, Zion Williamson will need more space and more targets to pass to once the Pelicans become a playoff team. Kispert is one of the draft’s best shooters and he’d also add toughness on defense.
SHADES OF
Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Gary Trent Jr.
And Wasserman did a mock with a lottery simulation that landed the Pels at #4, taking Suggs ( LINK)
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The Sacramento Kings set with De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton could allow Jalen Suggs to fall to the New Orleans Pelicans, who jump into the top four with a 20.3 percent chance.
Even if their goal is to re-sign Lonzo Ball, he and Suggs can still coexist. New Orleans would value Suggs' downhill athleticism to put more pressure on the rim.
He excels most while playmaking in transition, turning the corner off ball screens, pulling up off the dribble and forcing turnovers on defense. Suggs can replace Ball at point guard if the Pelicans are unwilling to match max offers in restricted free agency. But he's interchangeable enough—particularly due to his cutting—to play a combo role like he did at Gonzaga.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:00 pm to kadillak
It's the same as it's always been for me, Moody, Mitchell, Kispert, and Suggs then Green if we are picking at 3 or 4.
I would definitely bring Keon Johnson in to interview and workout. If he has good shot mechanics and we feel confident we can turn him into a good shooter, then i would say he would vault up to my #1 guy.
I would definitely bring Keon Johnson in to interview and workout. If he has good shot mechanics and we feel confident we can turn him into a good shooter, then i would say he would vault up to my #1 guy.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 10:36 am to TeddyPadillac
Sam Vecenie released his newest big board a few days ago and he had some movers, here is the top 20:
1- Cade Cunningham, Ok St
2- Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
3- Evan Mobley, USC
4- Jalen Green, G League
5- Jonathan Kaminga, G League
6- Scottie Barnes, Florida St
7- Davion Mitchell, Baylor
8- Alperen Sengun, Besiktas
9- James Bouknight, UCONN
10- Josh Giddey, Adelaide
11- Moses Moody, Arkansas
12- Franz Wagner, Michigan
13- Kai Jones, Texas
14- Chris Duarte, Oregon
15- Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
16- Ziaire Williams, Stanford
17- Keon Johnson, Tennessee
18- Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
19- Usman Garuba, Real Madrid
20- Jalen Johnson, Duke
Vecenie really likes Bouknight. I listened to a pod of his where he kind of described him using Jaylen Brown in college. Not that they're the same player, but Brown was in an absolutely horrible situation in college and his talent was really bought out in the league.
I also mentioned Duarte a week or two ago. He's a guy I personally really like. If we want a high impact player right now, he's a guy that can do that.
1- Cade Cunningham, Ok St
2- Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
3- Evan Mobley, USC
4- Jalen Green, G League
5- Jonathan Kaminga, G League
6- Scottie Barnes, Florida St
7- Davion Mitchell, Baylor
8- Alperen Sengun, Besiktas
9- James Bouknight, UCONN
10- Josh Giddey, Adelaide
11- Moses Moody, Arkansas
12- Franz Wagner, Michigan
13- Kai Jones, Texas
14- Chris Duarte, Oregon
15- Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
16- Ziaire Williams, Stanford
17- Keon Johnson, Tennessee
18- Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
19- Usman Garuba, Real Madrid
20- Jalen Johnson, Duke
Vecenie really likes Bouknight. I listened to a pod of his where he kind of described him using Jaylen Brown in college. Not that they're the same player, but Brown was in an absolutely horrible situation in college and his talent was really bought out in the league.
I also mentioned Duarte a week or two ago. He's a guy I personally really like. If we want a high impact player right now, he's a guy that can do that.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 11:25 am to CP3forMVP
Agreed on Duarte, though I think #14 is a little too rich. I would love him toward the end of the first round though. He gives a Desmond Bane vibe in this class -- upperclassman ready to contribute immediately.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 11:58 am to kadillak
I just love Sengun
Also be happy with Mitchell and Moody
Also be happy with Mitchell and Moody
This post was edited on 6/7/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/7/21 at 12:08 pm to CP3forMVP
Feel like we aren’t talking about Bouknight enough
Posted on 6/7/21 at 12:51 pm to jamal
We don't need another SG. I understand BPA. But we have two young prospects in NAW and Didi, plus they want to resign either Ball or Hart (both project best at SG). Whichever one we resign should be handed the starting role and we sub in the young guys as needed.
We need a PG to challenge Lewis (or split minutes if we move Blesoe). I'd even settle for a combo that is a great shooter. Further down the list is a backup 3, 4 or a 3/4 tweener. Either way, one that can shoot.
If we draft Green, Johnson, Bouknight or any of the SGs discussed.. Ball and Hart should be gone and probably need to unload one of NAW or Didi. But you can't draft talent and develop it without giving them opportunities and minutes. They are going to struggle and not be good at first. But that is how they get better..
We need a PG to challenge Lewis (or split minutes if we move Blesoe). I'd even settle for a combo that is a great shooter. Further down the list is a backup 3, 4 or a 3/4 tweener. Either way, one that can shoot.
If we draft Green, Johnson, Bouknight or any of the SGs discussed.. Ball and Hart should be gone and probably need to unload one of NAW or Didi. But you can't draft talent and develop it without giving them opportunities and minutes. They are going to struggle and not be good at first. But that is how they get better..
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:02 am to brmark70816
Big week in the draft world -- lottery tomorrow and combine this week
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:35 am to jamal
quote:
Feel like we aren’t talking about Bouknight enough
Yea I kinda think we end up with him or Moody. That was my two picks with Mitchell the third option.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:45 am to kadillak
Nice to read such optimism for us. “When they make the playoffs”
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:04 pm to TackySweater
Some Combine news:
Cam Thomas and Isaiah Jackson withdrew from the Combine so they likely have a 1st round promise in a range they are happy with. Though it could also be agent posturing.
Sharife Cooper, Jared Butler, Davion Mitchell will not test and drill.
Scottie Barnes' measurements: 6'7" in socks; 7'2.75" wingspan; 9' standing reach; 225 lbs. Similar measurements to OG Anunoby. Would be nice to have his freakish frame to throw at Doncic, KD, SGA, Dame, etc.
Miles McBride: 6'1" in socks; 6'8.75" wingspan; 195 lbs. Personally I prefer him over Davion Mitchell for that skillset.
Kai Jones: 6'10" in socks; 7'1.25 wingspan; 9'2.5" standing reach; 221 lbs.
Ziaire Williams: 6'8.25" in socks; 6'10.25" wingspan; 188 lbs
Brandon Boston: 6'5.75" in socks; 6'10.75" wingspan; 188 lbs
Corey Kispert: 6'6" in socks; 6'7" wingspan; 224 lbs.
Jalen Johnson: 6'7.25" in socks; 7'0.25" wingspan; 210 lbs.
Roko Prkacin: 6'7.5" in socks; 6'11" wingspan; 225 lbs.
Cam Thomas and Isaiah Jackson withdrew from the Combine so they likely have a 1st round promise in a range they are happy with. Though it could also be agent posturing.
Sharife Cooper, Jared Butler, Davion Mitchell will not test and drill.
Scottie Barnes' measurements: 6'7" in socks; 7'2.75" wingspan; 9' standing reach; 225 lbs. Similar measurements to OG Anunoby. Would be nice to have his freakish frame to throw at Doncic, KD, SGA, Dame, etc.
Miles McBride: 6'1" in socks; 6'8.75" wingspan; 195 lbs. Personally I prefer him over Davion Mitchell for that skillset.
Kai Jones: 6'10" in socks; 7'1.25 wingspan; 9'2.5" standing reach; 221 lbs.
Ziaire Williams: 6'8.25" in socks; 6'10.25" wingspan; 188 lbs
Brandon Boston: 6'5.75" in socks; 6'10.75" wingspan; 188 lbs
Corey Kispert: 6'6" in socks; 6'7" wingspan; 224 lbs.
Jalen Johnson: 6'7.25" in socks; 7'0.25" wingspan; 210 lbs.
Roko Prkacin: 6'7.5" in socks; 6'11" wingspan; 225 lbs.
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/22/21 at 12:15 pm to kadillak
My god. Those measurements kind of throw me off on Kispert. I’m 6’1 and I have a 6’8” wingspan. I wonder how many current and good nba players have a wingspan so close to their height. That dude is gonna get blocked into the g league in no time flat. Obviously if we pick him I hope I’m wrong lol.
But I’m not.
But I’m not.
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