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re: Do we exercise the 3rd year option on Kira?
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:03 am to shel311
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:03 am to shel311
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It's pretty unlikely he'll get on the court enough for us to find that out.
He's a point guard only and basically our 4th PG at this time.
That's possible. But if he's healthy, he has trade value. Even if its for a second rounder. If you're possibly abe to find out that he has the ability/glimpses to be a #2 PG, even if it's not with this team, you have even more value. I just can't see that money hurting us and makes no sense to let value walk with nothing in return.
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Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:24 am to Parrish
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I don't think you can let a guy walk as an UFA without really knowing what he has
They know who he is.
I said this after the first 20 games of his rookie season, that the fact that he hadn't really played much was very telling. either you're good enough to play or you aren't. It doesn't take much time to see that. And i used Tyrese Maxey as the example to compare to at that time, who played in all 20 and had 19mpg in them, and he started struggling and started getting some DNP's, like a normal rookie, then came around at the end of the season. Sounds familiar? Trey Murphey?
Evidence is Herb and Jose and Trey.
Coaches knew immediately what they had in Herb, and same with Jose.
Trey played 15mpg in his first 20 games.no DNP's. and he struggled, like most rookies, but they know they have something with him, and knew it immediately, and you see him following a similar path that Maxey did.
Kira had 10 DNP's in his first 20 games, and 3 of the games he played in were under 3 minutes, so he basically played in 7 games.
It's ok to say he's just not that good. yeah he's young, but he played two years in college, so i hate that young excuse. He's a good kid as well, and i wish him the best and hope he finds a niche and stays in the league for a long time, but at this time that isn't going to be with us, and he really doesn't have much trade value at the moment other than salary filler. If the team saw potential in him to be in our rotation, then we'd have already exercised that 4th year option by now.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:26 am to Fun Bunch
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Deadline I believe is 10/31, and it would guarantee 5.7 mill for him next year.
No. I think Kira is going to play somewhere on a minimum deal next season. When he was healthy last year, he was a negative player for us. If he wants to come, I'll bet we offer him a dollar more than anyone else, because he still has potential, but that potential is absolutely not worth 5.7 million.
And I don't know that we are necessarily planning on any trades in the near future. Overpaying Darius Miller three years ago made sense, because the roster was junk and Griff knew that we'd need to make trades to improve it.
Now? We're chock full of young talent and likely getting a high draft pick for next year ... and that's another reason not to overpay Kira. We aren't desperate enough to pay $5.7 million for potential, because there's tons of other potential on the roster and in our treasure chest of picks.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:40 am to GOP_Tiger
I would do it just to have his salary to trade
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:53 am to Balsamic_duck
Why do we need salary to trade?
We don't need to trade for depth -- that was obvious last night -- so the only reason to trade is to upgrade our starters, and I don't see us doing that.
We don't need to trade for depth -- that was obvious last night -- so the only reason to trade is to upgrade our starters, and I don't see us doing that.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:55 am to GOP_Tiger
Idea is to upgrade our bench at this point IMHO.
If we take Kira, Jax, etc, and combine them, we may get a key sub we need. Someone along the lines of a Josh Richardson or McBuckets if/when the Spurs start selling, for example.
If we take Kira, Jax, etc, and combine them, we may get a key sub we need. Someone along the lines of a Josh Richardson or McBuckets if/when the Spurs start selling, for example.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:14 am to iwyLSUiwy
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He was the 13th pick for a reason and I'd hate to let that go for nothing.
the reason was: he's fast.
that turned out to be not enough irl.
he's no longer an unknown nba basket ball player.
what we know:
limited defender.
limited shooter.
once he's ready trot him out in garbage time and see him vs some benches.
deal at deadline.
keep moving.
he and hayes were mistakes.
sing it:
Aloha. Aloha oe.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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We don't need to trade for depth -- that was obvious last night -- so the only reason to trade is to upgrade our starters, and I don't see us doing that.
We need another shooter for the bench. God love Graham for not being a total lost cause last night, but we need to turn his minutes into a reliable wing shooter.
Also, the hope is that Dyson builds off of last night and eventually takes over Naji's role.
Those are our two glaring weak points with this team right now. Not including Hayes, because I really don't think he is in the rotation unless you have a case like last night where 3 guys are injured.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:23 am to Broski
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We need another shooter for the bench
One of the very few things that have been disappointments so far this season is that, in the three games he played, Herb is only 1-6 from 3.
I had really hoped that this season would see him taking and making more shots from deep. I know that's only a 3-game sample, and maybe we'll see improved shooting from him, but it wasn't a good start.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:34 am to teke184
This ... NAW's salary helped net us Nance in the CJ trade. Small salary players are worth keeping because they are excellent for using to match salaries and easy for the other teams to move or let expire.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:37 am to GOP_Tiger
I'm not worried about Herb, even if what he is now, he already gives us so much: Elite defense, ability to drive and slash to the basket, and a competent open 3 option.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:38 am to Broski
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We need another shooter for the bench.
we sure do.
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God love Graham for not being a total lost cause last night, but we need to turn his minutes into a reliable wing shooter.
Why do people think he's not a reliable 3 point shooter? He shot 40% on catch and shoot 3's last year, 42% the year before, and 42% the year before that.
It's his pull up threes that bring his average down.
3 years ago he was taking 5.9 3PA as pull ups compared to 3.3 C&S.
2 years ago he was taking 3.3 3PA as pull ups compared to 5.3 C&S.
Last year he was 2.9 3PA as pull ups compared to 4.5 C&S.
I don't mind the pull up threes in transition from the top of the key as he dribbles into it. But if he can continue to knock down open C&S 3's, that's exactly what we are wanting, and he can do that.
What we really need is a big that can be a threat from 3. That's why Jaxson needs to be traded, and that's the position we need to upgrade more than anything. Nance and JV can shoot, but they don't really spread the floor. We need a guy that can play 12-15 minutes a night and just fire away from 3 as a 4/5. Even just getting a guy that's sort of a tweener, like McBuckets, that's big enough if he's playing with Trey.
I still would be fine with a straight swap of PJ Washington for Jaxson. Hell i'd give up a 2nd just to make it look like we believe in PJ more.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:43 pm to Fun Bunch
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Do we exercise the 3rd year option on Kira?
I would not. He hasn't looked special when he's been healthy, which hasn't been often.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:45 pm to GOP_Tiger
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because there's tons of other potential on the roster and in our treasure chest of picks.
And all that potential has to get paid, too.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 2:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What we really need is a big that can be a threat from 3.
What about Christian Wood?
Posted on 10/26/22 at 2:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Not as much as a big who is a legit rim protector.
What we really need is a big that can be a threat from 3
Posted on 10/26/22 at 2:43 pm to shel311
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Not as much as a big who is a legit rim protector.
Maybe….that would be nice.
But would you sacrifice JV and Nance minutes for someone who is also a situational defensive post player. They seem to have a good rhythm with Nance running in small ball lineups. He positional versatility from a defensive perspective.
I think we are set for the “Center” position. I would prefer a 4 with stretch ability who can shoot. That way, we don’t have to run too many lineups with small guard and wing defenders.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 2:57 pm to shel311
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Not as much as a big who is a legit rim protector.
Hassan Whiteside on line 2.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:00 pm to TechTiger
quote:That's legit exactly what Trey Murphy does from the 4. Nance also plays minutes at the 4, so I don't see how any addition to the team would get minutes at the 4.
I would prefer a 4 with stretch ability who can shoot
quote:Yes, as you stated, situationally.
But would you sacrifice JV and Nance minutes for someone who is also a situational defensive post player.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:21 pm to shel311
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That's legit exactly what Trey Murphy does from the 4. Nance also plays minutes at the 4, so I don't see how any addition to the team would get minutes at the 4.
Then Trey plays the 3, which he's been doing about half the time he's played since he's been here, and now instead of Naji playing, the stretch 4 is playing.
This stretch 4 isn't taking Trey or Nance or JV's minutes. He's taking Naji's and Jax.
You saw the issue with rebounding last night with the small lineup. Have a big small lineup with Trey/Nance and someone like Rudy Gay.
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