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Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:20 am
Interesting new article from Shamit pushing trading for Dejounte Murray now to use him as an eventual BI replacement.
Why?
- Very similar production to BI, roughly 21/5/5 for both this season
- Murray is doing it as a #2 while BI is doing it largely as a #1
- Murray has shifted to a more off ball role with Trae Young and has increased his rim and 3 rate from 44% in San Antonio to 58% in Atlanta
- He is on a deal that will be roughly 40% less than what BI is about to make, so similar production at a much more reasonable rate.
- Relatively low acquisition cost, Shamit proposes JV/Dyson/1-2 protected 1sts.
- If the Pels target Murray it screws with the Lakers who are also targeting Murray.
Why not?
- Part of the trade package for Murry would send out JV without getting a center back directly in the trade leaving a pretty big hole at center that you would try to fill when you trade BI in the offseason.
- Klutch and rumors of being not a great locker room guy.
Murray's shooting splits this year are 46.9%/38.8%/83% He's a much better shooter than I thought he was looking at those numbers, and he's already made the transition from #1 to #2 that BI is having so much trouble with. Color me intrigued. Anyone else have thoughts on a move like this?
LINK
Why?
- Very similar production to BI, roughly 21/5/5 for both this season
- Murray is doing it as a #2 while BI is doing it largely as a #1
- Murray has shifted to a more off ball role with Trae Young and has increased his rim and 3 rate from 44% in San Antonio to 58% in Atlanta
- He is on a deal that will be roughly 40% less than what BI is about to make, so similar production at a much more reasonable rate.
- Relatively low acquisition cost, Shamit proposes JV/Dyson/1-2 protected 1sts.
- If the Pels target Murray it screws with the Lakers who are also targeting Murray.
Why not?
- Part of the trade package for Murry would send out JV without getting a center back directly in the trade leaving a pretty big hole at center that you would try to fill when you trade BI in the offseason.
- Klutch and rumors of being not a great locker room guy.
Murray's shooting splits this year are 46.9%/38.8%/83% He's a much better shooter than I thought he was looking at those numbers, and he's already made the transition from #1 to #2 that BI is having so much trouble with. Color me intrigued. Anyone else have thoughts on a move like this?
LINK
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:24 am
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:23 am to TigerinATL
Klutch makes it a hard no for me
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:23 am to TigerinATL
Personally I think its more of a ploy to get more views by Shamit. This isn’t plausible as much some of us want it to be. They aren’t trading BI midseason and the fact he is a Klutch guy is a big deal as well. It’s interesting proposal to get views but also highly unrealistic for the pels.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:26 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
This isn’t plausible as much some of us want it to be. They aren’t trading BI midseason
It’s not a trade BI mid season move. You keep BI for now and trade him in the offseason, possibly from a position of strength because you’re not desperate to replace him if Murray works out.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:29 am to TigerinATL
What if the deal includes Okongwu too to help solve the center problem?
We’d have to give up more but I’d think it would be worth it, Okongwu fits what Willie wants to do imo with the more mobile big man vs what JV gives us
We’d have to give up more but I’d think it would be worth it, Okongwu fits what Willie wants to do imo with the more mobile big man vs what JV gives us
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
quote:I think it would be a smart buy-low move, but do not see it as a possibility. He is a much better ball handler/facilitator than CJ. He also plays both ends of the court. Klutch is not an issue to me given he is on a long-term contract already.
Interesting new article from Shamit pushing trading for Dejounte Murray now to use him as an eventual BI replacement.
Why?
- Very similar production to BI, roughly 21/5/5 for both this season
- Murray is doing it as a #2 while BI is doing it largely as a #1
- Murray has shifted to a more off ball role with Trae Young and has increased his rim and 3 rate from 44% in San Antonio to 58% in Atlanta
- He is on a deal that will be roughly 40% less than what BI is about to make, so similar production at a much more reasonable rate.
- Relatively low acquisition cost, Shamit proposes JV/Dyson/1-2 protected 1sts.
- If the Pels target Murray it screws with the Lakers who are also targeting Murray.
Why not?
- Part of the trade package for Murry would send out JV without getting a center back directly in the trade leaving a pretty big hole at center that you would try to fill when you trade BI in the offseason.
- Klutch and rumors of being not a great locker room guy.
Murray's shooting splits this year are 46.9%/38.8%/83% He's a much better shooter than I thought he was looking at those numbers, and he's already made the transition from #1 to #2 that BI is having so much trouble with. Color me intrigued. Anyone else have thoughts on a move like this?
LINK
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
quote:
It’s not a trade BI mid season move. You keep BI for now and trade him in the offseason, possibly from a position of strength because you’re not desperate to replace him if Murray works out.
My bad. Thats on me- Ive seen so many of these BI for Murray scenarios I just assumed it was one of those. If thats the case, its interesting but would be difficult to pull off.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:42 am to Pels_Yaz
If it starts the train towards moving BI I'm all for it.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:43 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Eh, Shamit isn't the only dude talking about what Murray would look like on the Pels.
Personally I think its more of a ploy to get more views by Shamit. This isn’t plausible as much some of us want it to be.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:45 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:47 am to DallasTiger45
quote:
We’d have to give up more but I’d think it would be worth it, Okongwu fits what Willie wants to do imo with the more mobile big man vs what JV gives us
You mean we'd have to ask for Okongwu and more to make it a fair trade?
We aren't swapping BI for Murray and not getting more back. BI is the better player, and the Hawks are desperate to do something as they are having a terrible year.
And i've thought about this trade as well, as I think we need to get someone who is more of a PG on this team. CJ can stay off ball, but someone other than BI and Zion needs to have the ball in their hands to start the offense.
I've been one of the only BI defenders, even though i still don't like the way he plays for the most part but i think he gets too much hate. He deserves some, without a doubt.
I wouldnt' be upset about making this trade right now.
BI/EJ for Murray/Okongwu/Garrison/24 1st from SAC.
Works out salary wise and keeps everyone under the tax.
Expiring Siakam got a good young player and 3 firsts.
OG got
Expiring OG got a great young player and another good young player, as well as Detroits 2nd which will be the first pick in the 2nd round.
My biggest issue with it is i don't know what kind of defender Murray is.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:49 am to shel311
quote:
This doesn't involve trading BI midseason, it would be offseason where BI is moved.
In your mind do you think Griffin would actually move him? Personally, to me this season so far has to be disappointment in regards to how hes performed. Even in a contract year- hes failed to make the all star team, probably wont make all NBA as well- do you think this finally pushes Griffin that he just isn’t the guy? Or do you think he just blames Willie for this? Personally I think he’ll blame Willie and extend BI while looking for a new coach. Which would be the wrong decision- may need a new coach but BI also isn’t the guy.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:51 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
may need a new coach but BI also isn’t the guy.
The "guy" is supposed to be on the team already, but where is he?
BI is in a role he shouldn't be in. Some fatass is too fat to take it from him, even though we've been waiting 5 years for him to do so.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:55 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:I can't see it, no.
In your mind do you think Griffin would actually move him?
Hopefully I'mw wrong.
I preface this to say I am not rooting for this, but if we fail spectacularly this season, like an 8 or 9 seed and don't even make it out the play in, that may be the catalyst we need and only thing that might get Griff to make a move on BI.
But even that doesn't help because you want trading BI to be the difference between a 4/5 seed and contender. If we're that level of bad, trading BI, even if it makes us better, won't be the difference between shitty and contender, so I guess we still lose either way. I just came up with that idea and talked myself out of it all i the same post.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:56 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
BI is in a role he shouldn't be in. Some fatass is too fat to take it from him, even though we've been waiting 5 years for him to do so.
This organization put him in that role. You can blame the “fat arse” but BI has been touted as “the guy” on this team and if hes extended will likely be paid as such. I agree there has been a mismanagement of roles on this team and thats Zion’s fault to a degree but also the organization, coaching staff and BI himself. BI has never tried to be a number 2 on this team- the one time he was- he got SVG fired.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:58 am to shel311
quote:
I preface this to say I am not rooting for this, but if we fail spectacularly this season, like an 8 or 9 seed and don't even make it out the play in, that may be the catalyst we need and only thing that might get Griff to make a move on BI. But even that doesn't help because you want trading BI to be the difference between a 4/5 seed and contender. If we're that level of bad, trading BI, even if it makes us better, won't be the difference between shitty and contender, so I guess we still lose either way. I just came up with that idea and talked myself out of it all i the same post.
So you’re saying we’re stuck in NBA purgatory. Nice lol
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:01 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
In your mind do you think Griffin would actually move him?
Griff has shown he isn't afraid to cut his losses and move on if something clearly isn't working. The question is, are things clearly not working? This clearly isn't a contender, but they also should be a mid tier playoff team if healthy.
I do think having a replacement in house already like Murray would make trading BI easier for Griff. But you need to have "I need to move on from BI" already in your mind to go after Murray, and Griff may not be there yet, especially with sub par coaching clouding the issue of what the real problems are.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:02 am to Pels_Yaz
Shamit makes some great point. Murray is locked up on a great contact and producing similar stats to BI. Why does BI deserve a max contact then?
I would absolutely make this trade
I would absolutely make this trade
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Relatively low acquisition cost, Shamit proposes JV/Dyson/1-2 protected 1sts.
This does not add up to me. That's a pretty hefty cost.
Is Zion going to grow 4 inches and play center? This is how you end up overpaying someone like Omer Asik.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:06 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Is it?
This does not add up to me. That's a pretty hefty cost.
Val is likely gone as a free agent, so we either lose him for nothing or use his salary.
So it's basically Dyson + 1 1st. That's pretty cheap for a dude like Murray. Murray is arguably as good as BI right now.
quote:The idea is to then trade BI in the offseason for a center.
Is Zion going to grow 4 inches and play center? This is how you end up overpaying someone like Omer Asik.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:08 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Griff has shown he isn't afraid to cut his losses and move on if something clearly isn't working.
He has done this with Devonte Graham and Steven Adams. I don’t think those guys are on the same level as BI. Getting rid of BI would be a huge admission of guilt that he was wrong- personally I don’t think Griffin’s ego will let him admit. Remember BI was a key piece of the AD trade he orchestrated- getting rid of him basically means he was wrong in assessing BI long term value to this team. I just don’t see Griffin admitting this but I hope I’m wrong.
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