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re: Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target

Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:39 am to
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:39 am to
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Sometimes, change is just needed- Zion/BI just dont work well together.


We've seen what building a roster around Zion produces. People want to bash BI, but Zion is the bigger problem for me. He's looking more and more like Shawn Kemp to me.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:39 am to
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So you would only be desperate to trade B.I. If Murray doesn't work out?

If I were GM, there would be close to a 0% chance BI would be a Pel to start next season.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:40 am to
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He's looking more and more like Shawn Kemp to me.


Shawn Kemp was a superstar in his prime and went to the NBA finals. I would take that in a heartbeat.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:41 am to
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Just assuming that all that other shite will work out if we do this trade is silly
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You can lead a horse to water...

You're the dude who didn't even realize Murray was already signed to an extension and that was arguably the main premise of you being against the trade, so I'd ease up on trying to lead people somewhere when you're pretty uninformed on this trade discussion
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:42 am to
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People want to bash BI, but Zion is the bigger problem for me. He's looking more and more like Shawn Kemp to me.
The better player who will be on the better deal once BI signs an extension is a bigger issue than the worse player and soon to be more expensive player?
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:44 am to
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We've seen what building a roster around Zion produces. People want to bash BI, but Zion is the bigger problem for me. He's looking more and more like Shawn Kemp to me.



They're both fricking losers and i wouldnt want to build around either Zion or BI. But Zion is locked up long term and for cheaper than BI's next extension is going to look like.

I dont see any way that paying BI a Max ends up good for the Pels
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:45 am
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:44 am to
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You're the dude who didn't even realize Murray was already signed to an extension and that was arguably the main premise of you being against the trade, so I'd ease up on trying to lead people somewhere when you're pretty uninformed on this trade discussion



Oh no! I don't track the contracts of every roster in the league. You got yourself a meaningless win, Shelley.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:46 am to
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The better player who will be on the better deal once BI signs an extension is a bigger issue than the worse player and soon to be more expensive player


The better player who can't stay healthy?
The better player who can't get in shape?
The better player that disappears in EVERY nationally televised game?
The better player folds in the face of adversity?

Zion may be the better player for about one month per year, but he's a far worse teammate. Nobody is going to put their arse on the line for a guy who won't put his arse on the line for himself.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:47 am to
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The better player who can't stay healthy? The better player who can't get in shape? The better player that disappears in EVERY nationally televised game? The better player folds in the face of adversity?


Three of these four things apply to BI as well. Come on bro lol
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:48 am to
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Oh no! I don't track the contracts of every roster in the league. You got yourself a meaningless win, Shelley.

Glad I let you to that water.




You're just trying to deflect and make it about me trying to get a win instead of taking responsibility for you being an arse to others when you didn't even know one of the most important things being discussed.

Look there, don't look at me for blame. This one's on you.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:49 am to
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The better player who can't stay healthy?
The better player who can't get in shape?
The better player that disappears in EVERY nationally televised game?
The better player folds in the face of adversity?
The better player is Zion. It's not close.
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Zion may be the better player for about one month per year, but he's a far worse teammate.
How many months are we into this season? Zion has been better than BI for that many months, which is more than 1.

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:52 am to
The fact that there is a daily war on this board on who is not living up to their potential more between Zion and BI really does shine a light on how bleak things are for this franchise.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11956 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:52 am to
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Oh no! I don't track the contracts of every roster in the league. You got yourself a meaningless win, Shelley.

But when you base an argument off of someone not being under contract past this season, it is a pretty big thing to miss.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:53 am to
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The fact that there is a daily war on this board on who is not living up to their potential more between Zion and BI really does shine a light on how bleak things are for this franchise.

Easy remaining SOS, we about to turn this around baby!!!
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:53 am to
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but he's a far worse teammate.
You have not idea that this is the case. Emotional much?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:54 am to
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Three of these four things apply to BI as well. Come on bro lol


1. 152 games vs 266 games
2. 300# vs 200#
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111101 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:55 am to
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But when you base an argument off of someone not being under contract past this season, it is a pretty big thing to miss.

Right, and that's fine. We all miss shite.

But he started acting like an arse to others like he knew it all and others couldn't keep up with his vast knowledge, which just made him look that much worse when he was wrong on the entire thing.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:56 am to
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You have not idea that this is the case. Emotional much?


You really can't be this naïve. Has CJ ever had to publicly call out BI to get him to engage his teammates? BI is also always in the gym with his teammates in the offseason. When we saw Zion during workouts last summer, everyone was jumping for joy...for him to do the bare minimum.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:57 am to
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But he started acting like an arse


Oh look, Shel wants to be the arbiter of acting like an arse.
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1724 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:58 am to
I like the idea of adding Murray. I'd like it alot more if the organization was willing to pay the tax this year and include Okongwu or Claxton.
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