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re: Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:58 am to Broski
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:58 am to Broski
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The fact that there is a daily war on this board on who is not living up to their potential more between Zion and BI really does shine a light on how bleak things are for this franchise.
It’s interesting right because we’re in the playoff mix and what 6 games above .500 but it’s the depressing fact that we were sold that this team would be a contender and there’s nothing worse than false promises for a fan base.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:59 am to TigerinATL
I like the idea of it means getting a really good center after trading bi. Mobley, Duren. I’m in.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:59 am to mhasen1
quote:That would be a huge stretch unfortunately.
I like the idea of adding Murray. I'd like it alot more if the organization was willing to pay the tax this year and include Okongwu or Claxton.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:00 am to shel311
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Look there, don't look at me for blame. This one's on you.
I'm not trying to be your friend, boy.
Even if he's under contract, you still have no starting center and a frickton of redundant combo guards to try to offload to create a roster to fit around a guy who may or may not show up to work tomorrow.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:01 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Sorry you feel embarrassed because you thought you were smarter than everyone else on this topic than you realized everyone else knew more than you.
Oh look, Shel wants to be the arbiter of acting like an arse.
Feel free to continue taking your emotions out on me because you're embarrassed. I'll be your punching bag, go for it.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:02 am to Macintosh504
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I like the idea of it means getting a really good center after trading bi. Mobley, Duren. I’m in.
And this is how it is exactly like the Evans trade. You end up with 3 combo guards that don't mesh well and a gaping hole at starting center, which is still one of the hardest positions in the NBA to fill, even if the position is slightly devalued.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:03 am to TigerinATL
Is the working assumption that the Hawks wouldn't want BI, or that the Pels wouldn't trade him mid-season? Because a trade of BI (plus possible a pick(s), I don't really know his value around the league) for Murray and Okongwu would fit much better for the team needs.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:04 am to NOSHAU
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That would be a huge stretch unfortunately.
Which is why the organization deserves mediocrity. Last week on the hoops hype podcast, they mentioned other execs were excited to see who the Pelicans dump over the summer to avoid next years tax.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:05 am to Epic Cajun
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Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target by Epic Cajun
Is the working assumption that the Hawks wouldn't want BI, or that the Pels wouldn't trade him mid-season?
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:06 am to Pels_Yaz
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BI has never tried to be a number 2 on this team- the one time he was- he got SVG fired.
Straight up SVG was 100% right and knew exactly how to manage BI and Zion. They chose BI over SVG which in hindsight seems like a bad choice. Could have flipped him back then for pieces we could be using now with an engaged Zion and a coach who knew how to use him.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:09 am to higgsBoson
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Could have flipped him back then for pieces we could be using now with an engaged Zion and a coach who knew how to use him.
You'll know it's him when he rides in on a unicorn. Until then, I don't believe this person exists.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:12 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:WTF gave you the idea that I thought that?
I'm not trying to be your friend, boy.
You're so far behind everyone in this thread, it's hilarious now. Best to just laugh at you at this point, which is what I'll do going forward.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:13 am to shel311
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He's mad
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
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This organization put him in that role. You can blame the “fat arse” but BI has been touted as “the guy” on this team and if hes extended will likely be paid as such. I agree there has been a mismanagement of roles on this team and thats Zion’s fault to a degree but also the organization, coaching staff and BI himself. BI has never tried to be a number 2 on this team- the one time he was- he got SVG fired.
No offense, as i enjoy your opinions and discussions with you, but i feel like you likely never played basketball at a high level. The fault lies 90% with Zion.
Why would you want a player to just default into not being the best player? BI wants the ball. You want that in guys. The best player typically is going to rise to the top, and the rest of the team is generally going to see that ascension and support it (see Tyrese Maxey). The problem is Zion doesn't seem to want it. He doesn't work hard in the offseason like BI, so he doesn't have the respect of his teammates. He picks and chooses when he feels like giving a shite on the court. And he's been the most turnover prone player in the clutch in the league along with Lebron. Difference is Lebron still helps his team win games. Lakers are 13-6 in "clutch" games.
Pelicans are 6-10.
We saw this with AD in that he'd scored 25 points, and take 1 shot in the last 4 minutes of the game. It was extremely frustrating. and then we would bitch about Jrue taking all the shots late in games, and missing free throws and what not. We sat there and blamed Jrue, when AD was the problem b/c he didn't demand the basketball and take the shots. He started to more and more, but it basically said he doesn't want the burden of being "the guy", and wants to play second fiddle, and when the guy that's supposed to take that burden doesn't want to, it thrusts someone else that maybe shouldn't be in that role into it.
Here we are several years later doing the exact same thing with Zion and BI. BI is a clear #2 guy, yet he keeps having to be the #1 b/c fatass doesn't want to.
You can say all you want BI is at fault as well, and the coaches are at fault, but the ultimate fault is on Zion. He's not prepared to be the #1 b/c he's lazy off the court, and when he's on the court he does more bad than good in those situations usually, and then you have him just easily stepping back from the situation and letting BI do the work alone. I guarantee you his teammates don't respect him enough to give him the ball in the clutch as easily as they do with BI.
You can see at times a play was called and it falls apart and they hurry up and get BI the ball and basically say "good luck, it's all on you now". We suck at execution late in games, and that's a coaching issue more than anything.
what really sucks in all of this is that you get better in the clutch with experience, yet we have played only 16 clutch games this year, good for 3rd to least in the league.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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No offense, as i enjoy your opinions and discussions with you, but i feel like you likely never played basketball at a high level. The fault lies 90% with Zion.
Unnecessary but if you feel like this makes your point stronger go ahead. I just think it weakens your argument because you’re trying to prove your credentials on a message board with no way to validate that you played basketball at a high level.
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Why would you want a player to just default into not being the best player? BI wants the ball.
Sure but that doesn’t mean he deserves it or it’s Zion’s fault. So you’re saying because BI works hard in the offseason and is more respected he deserves to be the number one option? No he doesn’t- your play on the court and talent determine that.
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Here we are several years later doing the exact same thing with Zion and BI. BI is a clear #2 guy, yet he keeps having to be the #1 b/c fatass doesn't want to.
You act like BI doesn’t want to be #1 and would be satisfied being number #2. Well when SVG gave Zion the keys- BI it was reported that he didn’t like it and was instrumental in getting him fired. Doesnt seem like he was ok being #2 then.
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You can say all you want BI is at fault as well, and the coaches are at fault, but the ultimate fault is on Zion. He's not prepared to be the #1 b/c he's lazy off the court, and when he's on the court he does more bad than good in those situations usually, and then you have him just easily stepping back from the situation and letting BI do the work alone. I guarantee you his teammates don't respect him enough to give him the ball in the clutch as easily as they do with BI.
Dude this is all assumption and opinion. Look Zion has his issues which you’re not wrong on but acting like BI is the poor hard working star that saves his arse is absolutely ridiculous. There are tons of times he has done more bad than good just like Zion.
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You can see at times a play was called and it falls apart and they hurry up and get BI the ball and basically say "good luck, it's all on you now". We suck at execution late in games, and that's a coaching issue more than anything.
Yet what does BI do? He’s horriblenin the clutch and takes the worst possible shots. So instead of rising to the occasion- hes part of the problem.
I’m going to be real for someone who says they played high level basketball- you seem to ignore BIs flaws and blame everything on Zion. You’re sounding like a BI stans. If you said both are completely at fault that would be a more competent argument but this sounds more like lets blame the fat arse for everything because no one else deserves the blame.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Unnecessary but if you feel like this makes your point stronger go ahead. I just think it weakens your argument because you’re trying to prove your credentials on a message board with no way to validate that you played basketball at a high level.
I didn't mean in it a hateful way, just simply that anyone who's played sports would never expect someone like BI to just default to #2. Not saying he would never, but someone has to take it from him, and Zion doesn't seem to want to.
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So you’re saying because BI works hard in the offseason and is more respected he deserves to be the number one option? No he doesn’t- your play on the court and talent determine that.
NO. i'm not saying he deserves it, i'm saying it's being thrust upon him b/c the person that should be taking that burden isn't. I was simply pointing out what Zion doesn't do off the court affects what happens on the court.
ANd Zions play on teh court in the clutch has been terrible, much like everyone on the team. DId you know Zion is shooting 50% from the line in the clutch, on top of the fact that he's one of the most turnover prone player in the league in the clutch.
You are right, your play on the court determines it more than anything, and it's obvious Zion isnt' ready for it.
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You act like BI doesn’t want to be #1 and would be satisfied being number #2. Well when SVG gave Zion the keys- BI it was reported that he didn’t like it and was instrumental in getting him fired. Doesnt seem like he was ok being #2 then.
Where the hell is this sentiment comign from? No one on the team liked him. If anythign ZIon disliked him the most from what i remember. He was a disaster from the get go.
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Dude this is all assumption and opinion. Look Zion has his issues which you’re not wrong on but acting like BI is the poor hard working star that saves his arse is absolutely ridiculous. There are tons of times he has done more bad than good just like Zion.
You're not getting what i'm saying. At no point have i ever said anything close to that. "BI saving his arse"?
I DON'T WANT BI TO BE THE #1 OPTION.
It's quite clear that the last shot should be created by either Zion, CJ or BI. There's no one else on the team that feels like they should take that roll but those 3, and CJ knows it should be BI or Zion.
the coaching plays a big roll in it, but at the end of the day it ends up just being a 1 on 1 thing, and if Zion just said frick it and went get the ball, then they'd give him the ball. They are literally all waiting for it to happen.
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Yet what does BI do? He’s horriblenin the clutch and takes the worst possible shots. So instead of rising to the occasion- hes part of the problem.
again, i'm not asking him to be the #1 guy. He hasn't been good in the clutch, and he never really has been in the past.
SOmeone has to take the shot.
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I’m going to be real for someone who says they played high level basketball- you seem to ignore BIs flaws and blame everything on Zion. You’re sounding like a BI stans. If you said both are completely at fault that would be a more competent argument but this sounds more like lets blame the fat arse for everything because no one else deserves the blame.
c'mon man. BI deserves tons of blame as well.
I blame Zion more b/c he's the bigger star, and has the higher potential.
We only go as far as Zion takes us, not BI. With that responsibility comes more scrutiny.
It was no different than with Jrue and AD. and what we found out is AD isn't a #1 guy. Maybe Zion isn't either, and that's fine, but if that's the case, then BI needs to be traded b/c he can't be the #1.
I just don't like blaming BI for doing things he shouldn't have to do, that Zion should be doing.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I didn't mean in it a hateful way, just simply that anyone who's played sports would never expect someone like BI to just default to #2. Not saying he would never, but someone has to take it from him, and Zion doesn't seem to want to.
I know you didn’t but to act like this never happens in sports and only people who play high level sports understand this is incorrect. It was well known that when Shaq came to Miami he deferred to Dwade; both Wade and Bosh later on deferred to Bron; KD deferred to it being Stephs team in Golden State; Dame is deferring to Giannis. Its what good teams do- no one needs to take anything; smart teams who are actively trying to win, including the players figure out whats best for the team- happens all the time in sports. The immature teams, like our pelicans, have these constant issues on who’s going to take it or who wants to be number one. Its a lack of experience and immaturity on our part especially regarding our two stars.
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NO. i'm not saying he deserves it, i'm saying it's being thrust upon him b/c the person that should be taking that burden isn't. I was simply pointing out what Zion doesn't do off the court affects what happens on the court. ANd Zions play on teh court in the clutch has been terrible, much like everyone on the team. DId you know Zion is shooting 50% from the line in the clutch, on top of the fact that he's one of the most turnover prone player in the league in the clutch. You are right, your play on the court determines it more than anything, and it's obvious Zion isnt' ready for it.
Ok agree here.
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Where the hell is this sentiment comign from? No one on the team liked him. If anythign ZIon disliked him the most from what i remember. He was a disaster from the get go.
Its well known Zion still likes SVG. It was reported the main players who had issues were BI and Josh Hart. This is pretty well known and reported.
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You're not getting what i'm saying. At no point have i ever said anything close to that. "BI saving his arse"? I DON'T WANT BI TO BE THE #1 OPTION. It's quite clear that the last shot should be created by either Zion, CJ or BI. There's no one else on the team that feels like they should take that roll but those 3, and CJ knows it should be BI or Zion. the coaching plays a big roll in it, but at the end of the day it ends up just being a 1 on 1 thing, and if Zion just said frick it and went get the ball, then they'd give him the ball. They are literally all waiting for it to happen.
Agree here as well.
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c'mon man. BI deserves tons of blame as well.
Ok just making sure.
Zion deserves a lot of blame. But my thing is so do BI, the coaches and this organization. They have completed fricked this thing up. Its lack of experience by both coaches and star players on how to handle this situation. To be fair Zion is fairly young but he has severe immaturity issues and BI Im not sure is much better- the IST game against the Lakers was a perfect example.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:28 pm to shel311
I’m so tired of watching Ingram sludge our offense into oblivion.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:45 pm to IronJohn
Murray trade thread
I pushed this over a month ago, but to replace CJ. And CJ has been fantastic this year, no question. But we need a true PG, and CJ and Murray will not work as a back court pairing.
I pushed this over a month ago, but to replace CJ. And CJ has been fantastic this year, no question. But we need a true PG, and CJ and Murray will not work as a back court pairing.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:47 pm to PELsu
quote:Why not?
and CJ and Murray will not work as a back court pairing.
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