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Defensive Statistical Impact Score for all Pelicans players (minimum 20 games played)
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:09 pm
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Defensive Statistical Impact Score for all Pelicans players (minimum 20 games played), per
@CerebroSports
Jones: 86
Nance Jr.: 83
Murphy: 80
Richardson: 75
Williamson: 74
McCollum: 74
Daniels: 74
Alvarado: 73
Marshall: 71
Hayes: 68
Ingram: 65
Hernangomez: 65
Valanciunas: 63
https://twitter.com/matissa15/status/1628451455056191488?s=20
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:15 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Maybe I'm far off base here, but I really think there's not that much advantage in playing Jonas over Billy. Billy buckets can score. Nance is a different conversation since he's probably the best of the three overall for what we need. Matchups obviously matter, but against most teams, we need another Nance type player. Too bad Hayes still seems useless.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:19 pm to MrJimBeam
Unless Val really steps it up big the last month, we’re gonna need to upgrade our bigs. Our roster is still a bit flawed, we don’t have enough guards than can shoot and not enough bigs who are overall good at defense.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:27 pm to MrJimBeam
They both suck defensively, but offensively and rebounding one is far superior.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:28 pm to MrJimBeam
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I really think there's not that much advantage in playing Jonas over Billy.
I think/hope that's part of why they kept Billy. Find a way to turn JV into Claxton and then have Billy play more regularly to give you some paint scoring.
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They both suck defensively, but offensively and rebounding one is far superior.
Statistically it's a lot closer than you'd think. JV's been a starter his whole career and Billy has come off the bench, so there is the question of whether this is sustainable for Billy, but for their careers Per 36 minutes:
JV 18.7/9.2
Billy 17.6/8.9
Also, even though bench vs. starter production is an *, Billy has produced against some of the best starters in the league.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:36 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah I think using JV for someone like that would be absolutely perfect if possible. I do think Billy needs more opportunities to prove himself here. It feels like he really has gotten better and of course everyone loves him. Those stats are a lot closer than I was expecting. JV seems like a high probability of moving in the offseason. I will say his durability has been awesome for a team that has had a lot of injuries.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
No center will have good defensive numbers when the guards and forwards get beat off the dribble so easily
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:20 pm to tigersmanager
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No center will have good defensive numbers when the guards and forwards get beat off the dribble so easily
This can not be stated enough, our defense up top is bad but the bigs get most of the blame. We switch for no fricking reason. Go over screens when we should go under and vice versa, and close out recklessly on bad shooters allowing them to drive.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:04 pm to tigersmanager
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No center will have good defensive numbers when the guards and forwards get beat off the dribble so easily
Then why does Lance have good defensive numbers while Val doesn’t?
Look I like Jonas, he’s just nowhere near as effective this year as he was last year, I don’t think it’s gonna be any better next year either
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:00 pm to saintslsupels
Jonas has looked slow and old since the preseason.
Even on offense, he's trying to just steamroll dudes with elbows because he knows he can't out quick them.
Even on offense, he's trying to just steamroll dudes with elbows because he knows he can't out quick them.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:26 pm to ghost2most
His numbers are pretty much the same as last season. His per36 is almost identical. I don't think that's the issue.
His defense has been exploited but we knew this going into the season. He doesn't have the range or mobility to defend the P&R, and generally gives up the lane to protect the paint. Teams exploit this. And we have to send extra help from the wing/corners and this leads to open corner 3s on the scouting report.
Hernangomez probably deserves more playing time but the result will be the same. Nance is the only guy you can trust to defend the P&R with his defensive range but you lose rebounding in the process.
This can't be corrected until the off-season where they need to upgrade the position with more defensive range and rebounding depth.
His defense has been exploited but we knew this going into the season. He doesn't have the range or mobility to defend the P&R, and generally gives up the lane to protect the paint. Teams exploit this. And we have to send extra help from the wing/corners and this leads to open corner 3s on the scouting report.
Hernangomez probably deserves more playing time but the result will be the same. Nance is the only guy you can trust to defend the P&R with his defensive range but you lose rebounding in the process.
This can't be corrected until the off-season where they need to upgrade the position with more defensive range and rebounding depth.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I LIKE watching the game better when Nance is at the 5. I don't dislike Jonas, I just think Nance fits better.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Valanciunas: 63
Whoof
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Naji definitely isn't our 9th best defender.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I'm surprised how high Trey is on that list.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:48 pm to TigerinATL
Remember the Greg stiemsma "can do those things as a starter"?
If we're gonna go that route, we better have a more viable back up than Nance and Hayes.
If we're gonna go that route, we better have a more viable back up than Nance and Hayes.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:42 pm to ghost2most
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Jonas has looked slow and old since the preseason.
He's lost a step, and there wasn't a step that he could afford to lose. So, yeah, he's old and slow now.
Next season, he'll be a starter on a lottery team or a backup on a good one. He won't be starting for us.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 11:03 pm to RUFshreve
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I'm surprised how high Trey is on that list.
I simply can’t give any credence to a stat that says Trey is our third best defender. That’s patently absurd.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:57 am to armsdealer
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I LIKE watching the game better when Nance is at the 5. I don't dislike Jonas, I just think Nance fits better.
I've loved Jonas and have defended him a bunch, but he's just been SO slow on defense. If anyone with a pulse drives around him and he doesn't have help, it's just too easy.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:04 am to LSUgrad88
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I simply can’t give any credence to a stat that says Trey is our third best defender. That’s patently absurd.
That's not exactly what the stat is supposed to mean. Here's the explanation below.
quote:https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/02/22/new-orleans-pelicans-best-defensive-playmaker/
For this installment, we look at defensive playmaking ability through the lens of Cerebro’s Defensive Statistical (DSI) metric. According to the website, DSI is “an events-creation metric that captures and combines possession-winning actions (steals, offensive, rebounds) with defensive efficiency (blocks, fouls) to act as a proxy for defensive athleticism and feel.”
Now, keep in mind, this is not a one-number catch-all defensive metric like Defensive Estimated Plus-Minus or Defensive RAPTOR. This metric specifically focuses on a player’s defensive playmaking prowess.
With this said, defensive playmaking is an immensely important facet of defense. Think about it this way. You could have the best man defender in the world. He could mirror every one of his matchup’s movements and completely smother them with his presence. He could make the offensive player’s life hell for 23 seconds on the shot clock.
Even with all his noble efforts, there’s still a chance that in the final second, the offensive player could bury a back-breaking jumper in his face at the very last second.
Great defensive playmakers eliminate this possibility. Whether it be through steals, charges, deflections, etc., they create an event that negates the offensive player’s opportunity to attempt a shot. No matter how knowledgeable of a fan you are, everyone knows that you can’t score any points if you never attempt a shot.
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