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re: Could the Pels be interested in x2 Euroleague Finals MVP, PG Vasilije Micic?
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
I'm thinking it needs to/will be a team that is looking to rebuild that may want to invest him past this season.
Jazz, Wizards, Hawks (not necessarily rebuild but he fits there), Blazers, Raptors (need bigs) are teams that I pinpoint.
Jazz, Wizards, Hawks (not necessarily rebuild but he fits there), Blazers, Raptors (need bigs) are teams that I pinpoint.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:03 am to NOSHAU
quote:
centerpiece for such a trade down
We're talking about the 8th pick, not a top 5 pick. You usually don't get a "centerpiece", it's trading quality for quantity because you don't value the quality at 8 as much as another team. Like others have said, I would have to think this is if Sharpe slides to 8 and the Pels top targets are off the board.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:09 am to TigerinATL
quote:
I'd expect a future 1st and dumping Graham to be included as well.
Which future first do you think we would get back, and do you think there will be protection on it?
Next year they have FIVE first round picks! Their own, Detroit, Washington, Clippers, and Denver….I’m not sure about the protections on any of those, and they don’t mention any on the trade machine.
But they certainly aren’t using all of those.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:10 am to BallHawk
quote:
8, 41, Graham for 12, 34, Micic, future pick
I'd prefer something like:
Graham, Hayes, 8, for 12, Micic, and a reverse protected pick (protection that guarantees a lottery pick).
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:20 am to TechTiger
quote:
Next year they have FIVE first round picks! Their own, Detroit, Washington, Clippers, and Denver….I’m not sure about the protections on any of those, and they don’t mention any on the trade machine.
Detroit is protected 1-18 in 2023 and 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026, and 1-9 in 2027. If not conveyed by 2027 then it becomes one second rounder.
Washington is lottery protected in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025, and 1-8 in 2026. If not conveyed by 2026 it becomes two second rounders.
Clippers is a pick swap.
Denver is lottery protected until 2025, if not conveyed by 2025 then it becomes two seconds.
Not that they would move this pick, but they also have Houston's 2024 selection, and it's only protected 1-4. That could be nice for them.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
quote:There is always a "centerpiece" to any trade, whether it be players or picks.
We're talking about the 8th pick, not a top 5 pick. You usually don't get a "centerpiece", it's trading quality for quantity because you don't value the quality at 8 as much as another team. Like others have said, I would have to think this is if Sharpe slides to 8 and the Pels top targets are off the board.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:37 am to NOSHAU
In some cases its just an aggregate of value.
In this case you're moving back 4 spots, sending a high-ish 2nd, in return you're still getting a lottery pick, a future pick, a player you think can contribute for you, and a salary dump.
In this case you're moving back 4 spots, sending a high-ish 2nd, in return you're still getting a lottery pick, a future pick, a player you think can contribute for you, and a salary dump.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
And this is only happening IF who the Pels want is gone and who the Thunder want is there. I’ve been against trading down for the sake of value from the beginning, because it isn’t a ton of value. But if the Pels don’t like the way the draft falls, trading back 4 spots makes sense. Get some value for taking someone you still like but aren’t as high on.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:01 am to TigerinATL
If the guy who we want isn’t there and the OKC deal is on the table, I’d be quick to make a deal to dump Graham for someone who fits what we need as a immediate contributor in the rotation and a rookie that can be groomed and developed. And if the rookie shows he’s ready to contribute early, the Pelicans are going to be a deep arse team that’s primed to make a deep run this upcoming season.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:01 am to TigerinATL
Reminds me of when Milos Teodosic, another Serbian guard, that got hyped as a sleeper "win now" combo guard due to his accolades and success internationally.
Like Milos, I think Vasilije, at 28, coming to the NBA so late, with the language barriers, will cap his upside and how well he'll acclimate. And probably be more of a back up guard. And I'm not really all that interested in moving back to take a low ceiling, low floor 28 year old guard.
Now if OKC is talking more like taking some of our second rounder and getting his rights in exchange, sure.
Like Milos, I think Vasilije, at 28, coming to the NBA so late, with the language barriers, will cap his upside and how well he'll acclimate. And probably be more of a back up guard. And I'm not really all that interested in moving back to take a low ceiling, low floor 28 year old guard.
Now if OKC is talking more like taking some of our second rounder and getting his rights in exchange, sure.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:08 am to Bronc
What? The guy speaks English
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:10 am to TigerinATL
quote:There would have to be a lot of value to trading out of the top 10. We (hopefully) will not have a pick this high for a while (unless the Lakers help again ). We would have to be getting a future moderately protected (i.e. top 8) 1st at a minimum in the deal along with a dump of Graham and maybe Temple as well.
And this is only happening IF who the Pels want is gone and who the Thunder want is there. I’ve been against trading down for the sake of value from the beginning, because it isn’t a ton of value. But if the Pels don’t like the way the draft falls, trading back 4 spots makes sense. Get some value for taking someone you still like but aren’t as high on.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:13 am to supe12sta12z
quote:
What? The guy speaks English
How well?
If fluent thats one less concern, but if you are trading back from 8 to get him, that would a disappointing move imo
Go look at Milos international numbers and tell me why this would be drastically different?
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:24 am to Bronc
Most Serbs speak pretty decent English
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:29 am to Bronc
I can make no judgments on Micic because I didn't know he existed before seeing the tweet that spawned this thread, and watching a few highlight videos.
I would just say if a deal was done, he would just be one of a few pieces included, not a "centerpiece", and I imagine what we paid him, while more than he gets in Europe, wouldn't be crazy.
I would just say if a deal was done, he would just be one of a few pieces included, not a "centerpiece", and I imagine what we paid him, while more than he gets in Europe, wouldn't be crazy.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
Interesting add on to this...Nuggets just trade JaMychal Green for the 30th pick this year
Could that grow into a three-teamer and they (OKC) take Graham and we take Green and Micic? Wouldn't hate it...
OKC gets
8, 2027 1st, 41, Graham
Pels get
12, Micic, Green, 34
Nuggets get
30 and 52
Could that grow into a three-teamer and they (OKC) take Graham and we take Green and Micic? Wouldn't hate it...
OKC gets
8, 2027 1st, 41, Graham
Pels get
12, Micic, Green, 34
Nuggets get
30 and 52
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:39 am to Fun Bunch
I can't imagine the Pels are Dyson Daniels or bust, surely someone they like would be there at 8. But I can see reasons for them passing on Sharpe, Mathurin, and Griffin. I also think there's a good chance a team like Charlotte tries to trade up for a big. So if Daniels is gone and Sochan is next on the Pels board, there would probably be a good chance Sochan makes it to 12.
I've said repeatedly don't get cute, just take the guy you really want at 8. But with all the teams calling the Pels they probably would have a pretty good idea of how the draft would fall between 8 and 12. To me the biggest question isn't should the Pels trade down in this situation it's "Why aren't they interested in guys like Sharpe and Mathurin, and is that the right decision?"
I've said repeatedly don't get cute, just take the guy you really want at 8. But with all the teams calling the Pels they probably would have a pretty good idea of how the draft would fall between 8 and 12. To me the biggest question isn't should the Pels trade down in this situation it's "Why aren't they interested in guys like Sharpe and Mathurin, and is that the right decision?"
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:39 am to BallHawk
Green has a player option in which he’ll most likely opt out of.
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