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re: Christian Wood averaging 23/11 on 54% shooting
Posted on 1/30/21 at 10:17 pm to Broski
Posted on 1/30/21 at 10:17 pm to Broski
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Andrew Lopez
@_Andrew_Lopez
Christian Wood: “It was definitely something of a revenge game. Some of the coaches are still there. Griff is still there. I wanted to show them what they missed out on.”
Hmmm
I got the feeling that Wood wanted to no part of being here
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Posted on 1/30/21 at 10:30 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:
I got the feeling that Wood wanted to no part of being here
Yeah, once the FO didn't rate him.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:29 pm to Broski
quote:Damn but this board has been telling me for years the guy was disgruntled and didn't want to be here
Christian Wood: “It was definitely something of a revenge game. Some of the coaches are still there. Griff is still there. I wanted to show them what they missed out on.”
That sure doesn't sound like something a guy that didn't want to be here would say
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:31 pm to Pelefraan 1
I’d give up 2 firsts & Hayes for Woods right now.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:37 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:
Hmmm
I got the feeling that Wood wanted to no part of being here
I mean I sat here and walked everyone through the actual evidence in this very thread(and several others) and none of it pointed to Wood being a problem child.
People wanted to make up shite to defend Daddy Griff and any decision he made because they were still in the honeymoon phase where it was mentally inconceivable to think for themselves and not just assume Daddy Griff knew all.
We screwed up, end of story, no ifs, ands, or buts. We had the opportunity to control his future in this league and given the situation he was in that summer, offer him a team favorable deal that would have locked him up ala Robert Covington’s first contract. We chose to guarantee Meli, Okafor, and Favors and let Wood to sit on the outside looking in.
This post was edited on 1/30/21 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:44 pm to Bronc
Wood would kill on this pels team.
His 3 point shooting alone.
Someone besides ingram to handle the ball and initiate offense.
Svg is a horrible offensive coach.
His 3 point shooting alone.
Someone besides ingram to handle the ball and initiate offense.
Svg is a horrible offensive coach.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 11:54 pm to danman6336
Remember when Wood was just a guy that can score but couldn't do anything else
Let's just go ahead and compare Wood to our starting center who is widely regarded as one of the best in the league on the boards and on defense
Wood currently averages more rebounds (10.8 to 10.2) and more than double the blocks (1.7 to .6 per game). About the same in steals (.8 to .9 per game). Averaging more assists per game too, for good measure. If you want to get into the minutes difference between the two, well Wood is better per 36 minutes in every category too
If you wanna get into advanced defensive stats Wood has
-4.2 block % to Adams 2.2
-a 0.8 defensive win share to Adams 0.5
-I'd have to have someone a lot smarter than me explain to me what defensive box plus/minus is but Wood has Adams beat there too (-0.01 for Wood to -0.04)
-and not just a defensive advanced stat but a 23 PER to Adams 16
After diving into the numbers basically the only thing Adams is statistically better than Wood in is offensive rebounding
It's getting pretty tough to buy the "the guy is just an empty offensive stats" line of thinking these days
Let's just go ahead and compare Wood to our starting center who is widely regarded as one of the best in the league on the boards and on defense
Wood currently averages more rebounds (10.8 to 10.2) and more than double the blocks (1.7 to .6 per game). About the same in steals (.8 to .9 per game). Averaging more assists per game too, for good measure. If you want to get into the minutes difference between the two, well Wood is better per 36 minutes in every category too
If you wanna get into advanced defensive stats Wood has
-4.2 block % to Adams 2.2
-a 0.8 defensive win share to Adams 0.5
-I'd have to have someone a lot smarter than me explain to me what defensive box plus/minus is but Wood has Adams beat there too (-0.01 for Wood to -0.04)
-and not just a defensive advanced stat but a 23 PER to Adams 16
After diving into the numbers basically the only thing Adams is statistically better than Wood in is offensive rebounding
It's getting pretty tough to buy the "the guy is just an empty offensive stats" line of thinking these days
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:07 am to danman6336
I don’t for a second think Wood is actually a better defender, and for me personally it was never at its core an Adams vs Wood thing, as there’s honestly a world you end up with both if you played your Wood card right and locked him up Griff’s first year.
However, the empty stats stuff was always preposterous. I’m literally still waiting on an explanation for what that nonsense even means? Wood is a front runner for most improved player and if he keeps this up through the season, he should walk away with it.
However, the empty stats stuff was always preposterous. I’m literally still waiting on an explanation for what that nonsense even means? Wood is a front runner for most improved player and if he keeps this up through the season, he should walk away with it.
This post was edited on 1/31/21 at 12:07 am
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:07 am to danman6336
SVG wouldn’t play him until he gained 20 pounds
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:31 am to Bronc
quote:Agreed, it's not. I'm just using it as a good way to compare stats to our current roster.
for me personally it was never at its core an Adams vs Wood thing
Imagine Wood coming off the bench at center for us. Or even playing some PF in a big lineup to give Zion some minutes on the bench. Our frontcourt depth issues are instantly solved. But no, we trot a dude that should have never even sniffed an NBA contract like Melli out there instead
quote:That's honestly one of the things that has bothered me the most about this board's take on Wood. It's ok that we didn't lock him up. Stuff happens.
However, the empty stats stuff was always preposterous.
But the rationalizations and excuses made for Griffin are what kill me. Wood's gonna have to be an all-star before some on this board will admit the FO 100% shite the bed with this guy. Now this whole "he was a headache/problem player" and didn't want to be here stuff is being made up to defend Griffin, which is even worse.
I mean I honestly should be comparing Wood's stats with Okafor, the guy Griffin went with instead of him. But that would be laughable so I'm not going to do that.
quote:Yeah me too
I’m literally still waiting on an explanation for what that nonsense even means?
Posted on 1/31/21 at 2:47 am to danman6336
It’s still a little mysterious what happened here with Wood. I clearly remember Meyers saying at the end of ‘19 that the Pels liked Wood, that he was going to train at the Pels facility over the summer and play on the Pels Summer League team.
He was even on the bench for part of Summer League, laughing it up with Zion and Hayes, then, poof, he’s gone without ever playing a game that summer. I remember thinking at the time that they brought in Melli instead of signing Wood, who could have been locked up on a cheap deal at that point.
I have no proof but my guess is that Wood didn’t fit the “family” atmosphere Griff is always touting, which has always struck me as a little precious and New Agey. One result is we’ve got a squad full of nice, quiet guys who, by Griff’s own admission, don’t really understand how to compete on a nightly basis. The Pels family could use a few dudes like Wood in the fold.
He was even on the bench for part of Summer League, laughing it up with Zion and Hayes, then, poof, he’s gone without ever playing a game that summer. I remember thinking at the time that they brought in Melli instead of signing Wood, who could have been locked up on a cheap deal at that point.
I have no proof but my guess is that Wood didn’t fit the “family” atmosphere Griff is always touting, which has always struck me as a little precious and New Agey. One result is we’ve got a squad full of nice, quiet guys who, by Griff’s own admission, don’t really understand how to compete on a nightly basis. The Pels family could use a few dudes like Wood in the fold.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 3:36 am to Soggymoss
quote:
He's not on this team, he chose to leave, let him be.
Thought he chose to leave after we started adding more bigs like Melli to the team?
Posted on 1/31/21 at 3:47 am to Townedrunkard
We're gonna need someone closer to the team to fill us in with what really happened
Posted on 1/31/21 at 4:04 am to New City Champ
quote:
I have no proof but my guess is that Wood didn’t fit the “family” atmosphere Griff is always touting, which has always struck me as a little precious and New Agey.
Again, ZERO evidence of this though, literally none.
Wood was the only big on the roster without some sort of guarantee after trading for Favors, buying out Meli’s Euro contract and guaranteeing him two years, drafting Hayes, Zion, and partially guaranteeing Okafor. Wood’s agent went to Griff to say what’s up with all that? Griff said you can still compete for a spot but the writing was clearly on the wall when you leave one guy without a guarantee and 5 other bigs with some form of one.
Discussions of some sort happened, Griff decided to release Wood. That’s it, that’s all there is that is publicly available. Wood goes to Detroit, busts his arse, beats out a future hall of fame vet in Joe Johnson for the last roster spot, and the rest is history.
If one chooses to assume Wood was some malcontent you are actively ascribing a narrative and evidence that does not exist, period. And why you would do so is anyone’s guess, but it seems to always be around excusing Griffin for making a series of incorrect judgements his first summer regarding who to prioritize or lock up as older prospects for this team.
This post was edited on 1/31/21 at 4:09 am
Posted on 1/31/21 at 4:08 am to Bronc
quote:
none of it pointed to Wood being a problem child.
Except that every team he’s been on has let him go. There are multiple reports of GMs contacting the Detroit GM to tell him Wood was a POS.
Good for him for putting it together, but is been obvious for awhile he’s talented but an a-hole.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 4:10 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
. There are multiple reports of GMs contacting the Detroit GM to tell him Wood was a POS.
Proof?
Boston and Houston were contacting Detroit to trade assets FOR Wood last season. Detroit felt they had a good chance to keep him. One thing led to another and Wood felt Houston was the better opportunity but STILL agreed to a sign and trade to get Detroit some assets.
Again, no evidence I see anywhere of these allegations that Wood was some problem child or malcontent that teams or our organization had cause for concern. Fact is if that was in anyway true, Wood would be out the league. Guys that are in his position fighting from the bottom don’t get the luxury of diva attitudes. Which is another reason this whole narrative did rather preposterous
This post was edited on 1/31/21 at 4:49 am
Posted on 1/31/21 at 5:30 am to Bronc
When the team signed Melli, that's when Wood tweeted "Don't forget about me."
It was obvious then that Wood thought that he could be our primary backup big behind Zion and Favors. Signing Melli meant that we didn't value him properly, and then his agent asked out.
We didn't get rid of him, but we also didn't properly value him for who he was.
It was a mistake by Griffin. Now, let it go.
It was obvious then that Wood thought that he could be our primary backup big behind Zion and Favors. Signing Melli meant that we didn't value him properly, and then his agent asked out.
We didn't get rid of him, but we also didn't properly value him for who he was.
It was a mistake by Griffin. Now, let it go.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:26 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Now, let it go.
I think you know that is an impossible ask for a couple of posters.
Posted on 1/31/21 at 8:35 am to New City Champ
quote:
instead of signing Wood, who could have been locked up on a cheap deal
this is the big assumption of the pro-Wood crowd relies on and there is no evidence this was true
Wood could have lined up next to Zion last year under Gentry but then he'd have left in FA almost assuredly. i don't know how we even sign him without going into the tax. and if he did sign, he'd be coming off the bench behind zion this year b/c SVG would not play them together (for defensive issues)
if we don't land the #1 pick (Zion), then Wood is likely still here
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
You have to think Wood gets all of Hayes minutes last season if he just hung in there. According to Griff he didn’t want to play Hayes.
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