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re: Celtics offer predictions
Posted on 4/6/19 at 4:01 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 4/6/19 at 4:01 pm to Soggymoss
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closing lineup of Smart, Jrue, Hayward, Tatum and Randle could give teams fits
If Hayward is back, then I can't imagination Celtics giving up both Tatum and heyward and plural picks.
I'm ready to be amazed.
See, Davis could walk after a season.
This may be boogie again. Pels gave up a first rounder and a nice shooter for a season.
I'm shaking my head.
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 5:08 pm to CelticDog
the Celtics with Davis and Irving and Hayward would be a tax team from the word go.
they also have to decide what to do about horford who has been their stealth MVP since he got there. how are they going to re sign Davis with Irving’s new deal on the books plus Hayward and possibly horford?
call me retarded but I think they jump at the chance to move Hayward for Davis
they also have to decide what to do about horford who has been their stealth MVP since he got there. how are they going to re sign Davis with Irving’s new deal on the books plus Hayward and possibly horford?
call me retarded but I think they jump at the chance to move Hayward for Davis
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:15 pm to cgrand
quote:
Hayward for Davis
Sure and Boston's #1, but not the long list of starters and multiple picks some project.
I'm done with this topic until the lotto balls are done.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:43 pm to Stidham8
Any way we can fast forward to August and leave this crap behind.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 12:03 pm to VOR
BOS playoffs start today vs Indiana
what would you rather see?
1) Celtics bounced in the first round
2) Celtics make it to the ECF and fall short again
I can go either way. It may not even matter as the offer for Davis is pretty cut and dried as far as players. MAYBE griffin can squeeze a 2022 pick from Boston? Maybe get Williams thrown in?
what would you rather see?
1) Celtics bounced in the first round
2) Celtics make it to the ECF and fall short again
I can go either way. It may not even matter as the offer for Davis is pretty cut and dried as far as players. MAYBE griffin can squeeze a 2022 pick from Boston? Maybe get Williams thrown in?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 12:07 pm to cgrand
Playoffs will be where Tatum and Brown will shine.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 12:11 pm to supe12sta12z
I agree especially on brown with smart out.
the question is do we want them so shiny?
the question is do we want them so shiny?
Posted on 4/14/19 at 12:26 pm to cgrand
ECF and fall to Milwaukee with Irving and Hayward shining, Tatum and Brown not so much
Posted on 4/14/19 at 1:03 pm to cgrand
quote:
what would you rather see?
1) Celtics bounced in the first round
2) Celtics make it to the ECF and fall short again
They need to get at least to the second round. Gotta show potential, but not enough that they think who they have will be enough for the future
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:51 pm to Soggymoss
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fall to Milwaukee with Irving and Hayward shining, Tatum and Brown not so much
Imho
If Kyrie and heyward shine the Celtics win it. The rest of the team is solid.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:19 am to CelticDog
Which would you guys prefer if say these were the two packages:
A) Smart, Tatum, filler, and 3 1sts for AD
B) Hayward, Tatum, and 4 firsts for AD and Hill
Let's say the additional first is the Kings pick (#14)
Salary wise, Smart has 3/36 left on his deal. Hayward has 2/66, with the 2nd year being a player option. With Hill, you are offloading 1/12. So basically, you add 6 mil in salary this upcoming year with Hayward vs Smart and Hill.
I think the knee jerk reaction is to go Smart. But I struggle to see his fit with Jrue, whereas I really like the Hayward-Jrue-Tatum fit, even if Hayward only gets back to 85% of his former self. Besides, what are we gonna do with the extra money short term? I can honestly go either way. Which would you guys choose?
A) Smart, Tatum, filler, and 3 1sts for AD
B) Hayward, Tatum, and 4 firsts for AD and Hill
Let's say the additional first is the Kings pick (#14)
Salary wise, Smart has 3/36 left on his deal. Hayward has 2/66, with the 2nd year being a player option. With Hill, you are offloading 1/12. So basically, you add 6 mil in salary this upcoming year with Hayward vs Smart and Hill.
I think the knee jerk reaction is to go Smart. But I struggle to see his fit with Jrue, whereas I really like the Hayward-Jrue-Tatum fit, even if Hayward only gets back to 85% of his former self. Besides, what are we gonna do with the extra money short term? I can honestly go either way. Which would you guys choose?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:24 am to Crewz
Option B for me
I think Hayward will get better with time. I’m not super high on Smart.
I think Hayward will get better with time. I’m not super high on Smart.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 8:25 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:27 am to Crewz
quote:
B) Hayward, Tatum, and 4 firsts for AD and Hill
For me it's this one very easily, and i love Marcus Smart.
I believe Hayward will return to form, and he needs a change of scenery to help with that.
If you said the Smart trade had 4 firsts and the Hayward trade had 3, I'd still go with Hayward.
The potential with Hayward is so much higher than with Smart. I'd love to take the chance on him.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:36 am to Crewz
If we could get Hayward and Tatum while grabbing 3 or more picks and our own, we have a high ceiling. We would only need a Center, PG, and a quality bench. Plus we would have several picks and decent cap space to work with.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:54 am to Crewz
Do you have an idea of any high caliber players that David Griffin would target this free agency or will we have to wait til we know what package we receive for AD? In other words, does Griffin have enough power to lockdown any free agents that could influence the package for an AD trade or will the trade be the base for how we rebuild?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:09 am to Crewz
I’ve been all in on getting Hayward from the beginning.
Next years team and maybe the next one after that are going to struggle to score.
Also Hayward is a solid citizen and seems like he’s got above average intelligence...and that’s not code language for “white”. I’m tired of being a fan of and caring about players who are too dumb to be present and accountable or to be able to communicate with the team without crisis actor drama
Hayward checks the boxes for a guy I’d like to see the team build around along with Jrue Holiday and an up and comer like Tatum. The draft picks are window dressing, for me
Next years team and maybe the next one after that are going to struggle to score.
Also Hayward is a solid citizen and seems like he’s got above average intelligence...and that’s not code language for “white”. I’m tired of being a fan of and caring about players who are too dumb to be present and accountable or to be able to communicate with the team without crisis actor drama
Hayward checks the boxes for a guy I’d like to see the team build around along with Jrue Holiday and an up and comer like Tatum. The draft picks are window dressing, for me
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:16 am to Dantheman504
Real impact free agents wouldn't happen this summer.
Griffin can talk up Gayle all day, but the league, the agents, etc will want to see it for a year first. Griffin knows that. But if he does build an amazing staff, gets top notch medical facilities and trainers, starts developing a clear culture, etc - then he could be in the convo for B level free agents (think Milsap when Denver signed him).
But the return for AD, along with their own picks and Jrue will be the foundation of this team
Griffin can talk up Gayle all day, but the league, the agents, etc will want to see it for a year first. Griffin knows that. But if he does build an amazing staff, gets top notch medical facilities and trainers, starts developing a clear culture, etc - then he could be in the convo for B level free agents (think Milsap when Denver signed him).
But the return for AD, along with their own picks and Jrue will be the foundation of this team
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:42 am to Crewz
quote:Interesting scenario. I could be happy with either one. If you take on Hayward, does Jrue become your primary ball handler again? If we take on Hayward, I may push for Brown rather than the extra 1st. He may be a more valuable asset than the 14th pick.
Which would you guys prefer if say these were the two packages:
A) Smart, Tatum, filler, and 3 1sts for AD
B) Hayward, Tatum, and 4 firsts for AD and Hill
Let's say the additional first is the Kings pick (#14)
Salary wise, Smart has 3/36 left on his deal. Hayward has 2/66, with the 2nd year being a player option. With Hill, you are offloading 1/12. So basically, you add 6 mil in salary this upcoming year with Hayward vs Smart and Hill.
I think the knee jerk reaction is to go Smart. But I struggle to see his fit with Jrue, whereas I really like the Hayward-Jrue-Tatum fit, even if Hayward only gets back to 85% of his former self. Besides, what are we gonna do with the extra money short term? I can honestly go either way. Which would you guys choose?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:46 am to NOSHAU
I think I'd lean option 2, actually. I know that Hayward contract is huge but its pretty short term. You'd have two wings for the first time in...ever, to pair with Jrue. You have some work to do, getting a primary ball handler and an athletic big, but its a good start.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:38 am to NOSHAU
quote:
. If you take on Hayward, does Jrue become your primary ball handler again?
We have a couple draft picks, and we need to see where they land first, but i'd love to draft Cobe White.
Jrue can initiate an offensive play, so can Tatum, and so can Hayward. quick pace, good ball movement as well as smart off ball player movement can negate the need for a true ball dominant PG when you have enough offensive weapons.
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