re: Can't say I saw this coming...but...the Pels are #3 in 3-pt shooting % at 38.7% and...

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Yes they need to shoot more 3's, but not at the expense of it bringing down the overall efficiency of the offense.

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We can disect this all we want but plain and simple the team is 4-0 when they shoot 40 or more threes. The more threes this offense shoots- the more efficient they will be. Even if they miss their threes- this is absolutely the most efficient way to play if they want to consistently win at a higher level. Willie himself when told this stat stated we need to shoot 40 threes every game. Even if they have a bad shooting night shooting 40 3s- in the long run it will continuously benefit them.

In regards to just jacking threes- I haven’t seen this team do that. They tend to take good open threes. Frankly, I rather seem them jack threes then jack bad mid range shots which Ive seen too much of.

That’s literally the longest response I’ve ever gotten. Honestly, kudos to you on the research.

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Missing 3's is efficient?

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I think you misunderstood me. Its all about the process. To be fully committed you have to keep attempting threes and not abandon the process when you don’t make a good percentage. In the long run, staying true to the process will show this is the most efficient way to play basketball long term.

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Deosn't matter if you shoot 35 or 40, you have to make them.

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Yes considering we shoot at a very high percentage that is more likely than not.

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Denver won it last year taking 31 3's a game in the regular season.

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When we also have one of the most efficient players to ever play on your team then yes Denver is an acceptable model to follow. Jokic is an exception to everything.

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We've watched teams die in the playoffs b/c they rely to heavily on the 3 point line.

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Everything changes in the playoffs. That doesn’t mean you stop doing it in the regular season because it’ll change in the playoffs. One on one basketball and smaller rotations are more prominent in playoffs- that doesn’t mean we shorten the rotations and change the way you play in the regular season. The goal of the regular season is to win games not worry about how your 3pt shooting percentage will get lower come playoff time.

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Dallas didn't make the playoffs with that full proof method of shooting more 3's is what's best.

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They had a horrendous defense. And literally bypassed playing in the play-in game to get a higher pick.

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The jacking up 3 method isn't sustainable in the playoffs. If you can't generate good 3 pointers then you're going to be stuck taking a lot of bad ones in the playoffs b/c the defense is going to get much better. I think we are really good at generating good 3's, and we need to keep it that way. We don't need to become an AUU team jacking up a 3 every time we catch the ball behind the 3 point line.

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Why do you assume if this team tries to shoot more threes they will automatically jack bad threes and be like an AAU team?

This is flawed thinking. You’re acting like NBA players asked to take more 3s will just start jacking dumb shots. It’s possible to generate threes at high volume that are good shots. This fear that professional basketball players can’t handle that and become an AAU team is silly. Your anxiety of the team taking dumb shots is overriding the fact that this team has the ability to hit efficiently on a good volume of 3 pt shots. The Boston Celtics take the most amount of threes (42.6) at very similarly to us efficient 38.1 % and they are the best team in the league.

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no it won't. tha'ts the baseball mentality of lets swing for doubles and homeruns every at bat b/c of 162 games it works the best. It leads to more strikeouts, and if you are solely reliant on the 3 ball to win games come playoff time, you'll never find ways to win a game if you're having an off night.

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Yeah Im just going to talk basketball. So in your opinion the Boston Celtics will be too reliant on the 3 like they have been in the regular season and fail in the playoffs? I highly doubt this. I don’t know why you have anxiety over how shooting more 3s will screw us for the playoffs. The goal is to win as many regular season games as possible and shift into playoff mode- every team does this. Superstars know this, rotations are shortened, defense is tighter and refs usually call les fouls. But again the regular season is completely different.

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Ther'es good BI mid range shots and there are bad ones. I don't want them all going away. I just want the bad ones gone. When he gets to the elbow without someone hanging on him and he's able to rise up in rythym, that's a good shot. I do'nt mind the fadeaway from the baseline b/c that is his money shot and one that is going to win us a big game this year (calling that shot now). I don't like when he takes 3+ dribbles with a defender draped on him and he shoots over him.

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The midrange shot has been factually shown to be the least efficient shot in basketball. Its just a bad shot- regardless who’s shooting it. This has factually been proven several times. I wont throw stats because you can easily google this and find the answer. We are the least clutch team in the league partly due to BI thinking he can win with these fadeaway midrange shots. We’re halfway through the season and hes not winning us games taking clutch fadeway shots in the end. If he does it 1/7 to win a game- thats not a good thing. The team and Griffin have actively stated they are trying to get BI off of this, shooting middies. CJ has successfully done this and is having an amazing season.

In conclusion, it seems as though somehow if this team tries to shoot 40 threes a game- you are scared they wont hit them efficiently, will take bad shots and act like an AAU team. Additionally, you think this somehow will set them up for failure in the playoffs. I’m sorry but there is no data that actually happens. You’ve named instances where Dallas didn’t make the playoffs or how Denver didn’t shoot a lot and won the championship. Dallas had a horrendous defense and Denver had the league best player- those are extremely big factors that you take into consideration. We’ll agree to disagree but majority of the fans, Griffin and willie green himself wants this team to shoot near 40 threes- and I completely agree with them.

How about this. If someone shoots 30% from 3 in year one, then shoots 28% from 3 halfway through year two, and that same player has shot 65% from the line both years, are things looking good for that player in terms of shooting ability?

Let me answer that question for you. Hell no.

ETA: l don’t know when, but if his shooting doesn’t improve fairly soon, Dyson not taking 3s is certainly in play.

yep, I want him shooting corner 3’s whenever open but otherwise would agree I would rather him not shoot from other points beyond the arc early in the shot clock. I feel the same way about others who are in the 32% below club.

Do you want him to become Ben Simmons?

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I got news for you, we aren't sniffing even a conference finals appearance unless Zion can get to that MVP level. Doesn't matter how many 3's we shoot, either he gets us there or he doesn't.

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I got news for you The Nuggets lost several times in the playoffs before winning it with Jokic last year. There are steps to this. My goal is for the pelicans to get homecourt, get past the first round and this group get some solid playoff experience. You’re championship or bust mentality especially this year is extremely unrealistic.

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you play how you practice.

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No NBA team has practices like they’re going to play in the playoffs. This is a very unrealistic view of how professional basketball works. Practice, preseason, regular season and playoffs are all different levels. If you don’t understand this, I don’t know what to tell you.

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I'm just saying i don't want to come down the court and immediately shoot 3's with no passing. That's bad basketball. I don't want to change the core of how we run our offense, which is playing through BI/Zion/JV and their ability to get to the rim and draw double teams. Our 3 pointers come from that, not the other way around.

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No one is saying they will do this. This is your own personal anxiety thinking that if you tell a professional to do something more, they’re going to do it the wrong way. You don’t have to change the core of what you do to increase 3pt attempts.

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They are too reliant on individuals shooting 3's instead of the team shooting 3's. That philosophy never worked in Houston.

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The Rockets made several playoff appearances, Harden won a MVP and they were one injury to Chris Paul/one game from beating an extremely dominant warriors team to get to the finals. That philosophy did work except Golden State was a juggernaut. I think you see the rockets as a failure. Personally I see a Rockets team who several years were extremely competitive and were a CP3 hamstring injury away from being in the finals.

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Again, I'm not saying don't take more 3's, or that we will definitely take bad 3's if we do take more.
I want to take more 3's within our offense. If that's 37 3's a game, then so be it. We don't need this random target of 40. That's like saying i want to get a shot off in the first 12 seconds of the shot clock. WHen you have a stupid target it can lead to stupid play to achieve the stupid target.
Us shooting more 3's should be organic. It's as simple as changing the lineup. You can't have Zion/JV/Herb/Dyson play almost half of the total minutes of the game and expect to take 40 3's in a game.

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In any profession you need to have a target for players or team members to try to reach. You may think its “stupid.” But without numerical targets for NBA players who are constantly trying improve with their personal stats- theres no direction. As a leader in any profession but especially sports you have to challenge players and the team to reach certain numerical goals. Willie can’t tell the team shoot more 3s and if they ask how many? He would be like I’m not giving you a target- like who does that?

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and i'll repeat it again, we can't win anything unless Zion gets to an MVP level, so don't just dismiss that like it's too big of a factor. It's the most important factor in us competing for a championship.

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I haven’t dismissed this but I’m not delusional. The guy can’t start the season conditioned, can’t make an all-star game, half the time isn’t our first option- why the hell would I compare him to a player like Jokic. Thats completely unrealistic at least for this year. Is it possible he plays like an MVP at some point? Sure. But comparing a guy who may play like a MVP in couple games to the most efficient 2 time MVP Jokic is a silly comparison to make. Again this team needs to win regular season games, get homecourt, try to win a playoff series and get significant playoff experience with this group. And I believe shooting near 40 threes efficiently a game will help them achieve this.

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One can reasonably argue that they’re only one piece away from being favored to make the conference finals. The window for contention is now.

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Im not disagreeing with this but winning a championship and being a contender are two different things. I just believe there are levels to this. As much as I would want this team to win a championship this year, I also think with this the first year they all been healthy and assuming they will win it all this year without any significant playoff experience with each other- just doesn’t seem realistic.

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This is why, I'd lean into pushing all chips in now and addressing what you believe you need to put you over the top this year. Coming up close but short in say a second-round exit would be progress but you'd likely be kicking yourself in regards to what the team could have accomplished given the resources you know you're deficient in right now with costs still reasonably manageable.

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You’re not completely wrong on this but the fact we just made a trade to get under the luxury tax probably means they aren’t pushing all their chips in this year. For this organization to push all their chips in, they need to go into the tax- which likely won’t happen this year.
I do agree the injuries have completely fricked up the timelines and assessment of this team. They may add a piece here or there but it seems like they will continue to operate under the tax line this year. Whether thats a right or wrong move- honestly not sure.

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I got news for you The Nuggets lost several times in the playoffs before winning it with Jokic last year.

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and my point is if you want to win a championship, you're going to need an MVP player on your team.

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My goal is for the pelicans to get homecourt, get past the first round and this group get some solid playoff experience. You’re championship or bust mentality especially this year is extremely unrealistic.

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My man. i have zero expectations to win a championship this year. I would be ecstatic if we simply make the playoffs and have all our core pieces available to play.

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No NBA team has practices like they’re going to play in the playoffs

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Hey Groot, stop taking it so literal. It's a saying. You play how you practice. The regular season is basically practice for the playoffs.

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n any profession you need to have a target for players or team members to try to reach.

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And that target should be reasonable, and us shooting 40 3's on average isn't a reasonable target with our roster and rotations. You want to shoot near 40 3's, Dyson and Naji need DNPs and the only bench players are Larry, Trey, Hawkins and Jose.

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I haven’t dismissed this but I’m not delusional. The guy can’t start the season conditioned, can’t make an all-star game, half the time isn’t our first option- why the hell would I compare him to a player like Jokic. Thats completely unrealistic at least for this year. Is it possible he plays like an MVP at some point? Sure. But comparing a guy who may play like a MVP in couple games to the most efficient 2 time MVP Jokic is a silly comparison to make

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I"m not saying he needs to be an MVP today, nor am i saying he needs to be exactly who Jokic is. I"m not even saying he has to be an MVP next year. But at some point, he's going to have to get to that level if we are goign to make some noise in the post season. and if you want this offense to get more efficient 3's up, it'll become a lot easier when Zion becomes that guy. I think we can get there, but i have no illusions of it happening right now, or even next year.
Hell i'm just happy we've played several games in a row with all of our guys healthy. We've gone 4 years with this fat arse having no idea how he fits into the roster we've constructed b/c either he's not playing or the few times he does BI isn't. I just want to make the playoffs healthy so we know what we need to do in the offseason.