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Can we fire Darren Erman?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:59 am
He's obviously not bringing shite to the table, if anything what if its a morale boost to the team? Do we need to fire him with good timing with an upcoming critical stretch?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:10 am to Chad504boy
The defense was top 10 last year. What’s changed? They swapped out Rondo and Cousins for Hill and Cunningham, 2 6’8”ish wings that can switch up or down. His scheme worked fine last year with players better suited to the defense everyone is playing these days.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:21 am to TigerinATL
We're 29th, maybe solomon was the DGOAT
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
So adjust to the players currently available. When you're running out 3 guard lineups it might not be a great idea to switch on everything. The Pels willfully accept horrible matchups more often than any other team I watch.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:46 am to Tigerbiscuits
you should let the coaches know. i'm sure they have never thought of that.
one thing that was true last year and is true this year- the defense falls apart whenever Davis sits. it's a top 10 unit with him on, and a bottom 5 when is off.
one thing that was true last year and is true this year- the defense falls apart whenever Davis sits. it's a top 10 unit with him on, and a bottom 5 when is off.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:50 am to Tigerbiscuits
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When you're running out 3 guard lineups it might not be a great idea to switch on everything. The Pels willfully accept horrible matchups more often than any other team I watch.
Switching actually is not the problem. If you watched last night, they kept running PNR with Giannis getting him switched onto Nelson/Jrue and Giannis did good, but it made the Bucks go iso-heavy and threw off their offense as a whole.
The problem is perimeter and transition defense. That is purely a hustle thing. Not closing out on 3's and not getting back into position. DC still hustles, but he is not as athletic or well conditioned as Solo and cannot lock down the best perimeter player or cut off fast breaks. Losing Solo while adding Boogie was a huge hit to the defense.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:04 am to Chad504boy
Fire the coach!!
What an original idea..that will solve everything!!
What an original idea..that will solve everything!!
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:05 am to Tigerbiscuits
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So adjust to the players currently available
There's a reason the traditional center is dead and everyone is trying to copy the Warriors. The old stuff doesn't work. The players that are being empowered by this Pace and Space era of NBA basketball are forcing teams to switch everything. Players that can't defend well in space are getting run off the court these days. If all that needed to happen was a different strategy or motivation then you wouldn't see so many guys who would have been useful just 5-10 years ago being marginalized or forced out of the league altogether today.
As much as you guys want changing the coaches to be the silver bullet that fixes this team, it isn't the biggest flaw on this over .500, 1.5 games out of the 4th seed team. Even if it was, getting an actual upgrade requires essentially a top 5 coach.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:15 am to Crewz
If you guys ever had the chance to sit down in the coaches room and hear them talking, you would just continually nod your head and go, "Wow, these guys are really smart! They see everything I see and more and want to do exactly what this team what I would do!"
Then, they go tell these exact things to the players. But then, after all their hard work, Boogie inexplicably fouls a guy 70 feet from the basket with .5 seconds left in the half. Or the guys don't put a body on a guy when the ball is in the air despite being told to thousands of times and drilled to do so
Then, they go tell these exact things to the players. But then, after all their hard work, Boogie inexplicably fouls a guy 70 feet from the basket with .5 seconds left in the half. Or the guys don't put a body on a guy when the ball is in the air despite being told to thousands of times and drilled to do so
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:59 pm to Crewz
I'd rather ban you. Damn, you suck Chad.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:01 pm to Crewz
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If you guys ever had the chance to sit down in the coaches room and hear them talking, you would just continually nod your head and go, "Wow, these guys are really smart! They see everything I see and more and want to do exactly what this team what I would do!"
Then, they go tell these exact things to the players. But then, after all their hard work, Boogie inexplicably fouls a guy 70 feet from the basket with .5 seconds left in the half. Or the guys don't put a body on a guy when the ball is in the air despite being told to thousands of times and drilled to do so
Intelligence and emotional maturity are so underrated in sports. Look at the Spurs. Their success is based on more than just Pop being a great strategist.
He surrounds himself with intelligent players.
Our guys are fricking morons mostly.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:13 pm to Chad504boy
Yeah, let’s fire everybody. That’s the spirit.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm to NOFOX
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Switching actually is not the problem. If you watched last night, they kept running PNR with Giannis getting him switched onto Nelson/Jrue and Giannis did good, but it made the Bucks go iso-heavy and threw off their offense as a whole.
The problem is perimeter and transition defense. That is purely a hustle thing. Not closing out on 3's and not getting back into position. DC still hustles, but he is not as athletic or well conditioned as Solo and cannot lock down the best perimeter player or cut off fast breaks. Losing Solo while adding Boogie was a huge hit to the defense.
I agree with every word of that. The turnovers play a huge role in that bold part as well.
I've come to the conclusion that our offense is the opposite of what you saw the Bucks do all night with Giannis. So often AD gets smaller guys on him, but we don't force feed him the ball every possession b/c of it. I bitch about that, but maybe we would rather run our offense the way it's supposed to be run, and when the opportunity presents itself, that mismatch can be taken advantage of the most efficient way. At least that's what i hope is happening.
And like Crewz said, i have no doubt that the coaches are on their arse about playing better defense the right way, they simply don't do it. Being good on defense simply requires everyone to be on the same page and for everyone to hustle. You're always going to have mismatches in athleticism from time to time, but playing smart, tenacious team defense can overcome that at this level.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
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maybe we would rather run our offense the way it's supposed to be run, and when the opportunity presents itself, that mismatch can be taken advantage of the most efficient way. At least that's what i hope is happening.
It's hard to argue with what the offense is doing lately. I know the shooting is unsustainably hot, but they are getting good looks, moving off ball and making the extra pass which hopefully will keep happening even after Moore/Holiday come back down to earth.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:55 pm to TigerinATL
quote:So, is it the chicken or the egg? Did the players make Erman look better than he really is and now we are seeing what he does with players who are not as good defensively?
The defense was top 10 last year. What’s changed? They swapped out Rondo and Cousins for Hill and Cunningham, 2 6’8”ish wings that can switch up or down. His scheme worked fine last year with players better suited to the defense everyone is playing these days.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
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The Bird Writes@thebirdwrites 7 minutes ago
Since Rajon Rondo returned from injury (11/13) #DoItBig
ORtg: 111.4 (5th)
DRtg: 111.8 (Last)
Before Rajon Rondo (games through 11/12)
ORtg: 104.1 (17th)
DRtg: 103.0 (13th)
Mason from BSS did an article a few days ago about Rondo causing defensive issues. He did point out some mitigating factors like the schedule really ramped up when he returned, so his impact might not be as bad as it appears, but the stats say he definitely hurts the defense at the same time he's helping the offense. How much that matters is a different question though.
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Steve Ilardi? @dr_ilardi
NBA teams this season show much more variability on offense than on defense. The offensive efficiency gap from best (Warriors: 113.8) to worst (Bulls: 96.2) is 80% larger than the gap from best (Celts: 100.2) to worst (Suns: 109.2) on defense.
A hypothetical team with the league’s best offense and worst defense would still be good (+4.6 net efficiency), while a team with the best defense and worst offense would be bad (-4.0 net efficiency).
A hypothetical team with the league's best offense you say
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Christian Boutwell? @_CBoutwell 1 hour ago
#Pelicans in December, NBA rank
3FG%: 47.3, 1st
3PM: 14.3 per game, 2nd
3PA: 30.1 per game, 12th
FG%: 52.5, 2nd
Points: 118.4 per game, tied for 1st with Houston
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:14 pm to NOSHAU
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So, is it the chicken or the egg?
Rondo nicknamed Erman Baby Thibs, but even Papa Thibs is having problems getting his very talented and athletic players to defend well. The Timberwolves are ranked 25th in DRtg, just one above the 26th rated Pels. Monty was known as a defensive coach but had a bottom 3rd defense most of his time here. I'd say the players matter much more than the coach for defense.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:36 pm to Crewz
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If you guys ever had the chance to sit down in the coaches room and hear them talking, you would just continually nod your head and go, "Wow, these guys are really smart! They see everything I see and more and want to do exactly what this team what I would do!"
Then, they go tell these exact things to the players. But then, after all their hard work, Boogie inexplicably fouls a guy 70 feet from the basket with .5 seconds left in the half. Or the guys don't put a body on a guy when the ball is in the air despite being told to thousands of times and drilled to do so
if the brilliant coach can't connect with the player and get the words to transition to on court behavior, then its not actually coaching.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:41 pm to Chad504boy
And I'm sure you have the name of the guy who is available and can magically get through to Boogie after everyone has failed, right?
He is just sitting around waiting for us, right??
He is just sitting around waiting for us, right??
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