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re: Build your own Trade thread
Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Pels:
Literally any player
Any of the 29 other teams:
Zion
BI
That's where 'm currently at
same...
i'm at the point that i don't really care who it is, as long as they actually fricking PLAY...
tired of fat frick and perpetually high sitting the bench while we put a bunch of scrubs out there every night...
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:04 pm to DLBalla
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Well Presti is smart enough to not trade for Ingram, Zion or CJ. So I guess you're referring to Herb, Murphy or Murray possibly. Think they're content with their great roster and elite defense, with flexibility to re-sign their own emerging stars and keep drafting high level talent that fits their sty
Probably right...but sometimes a team doesn't mind picking up a player...just to keep one or two of their serious competitors...from picking up that same player.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 8:54 am to Dantheman504
Nets: Zion + Theis
Pistons: CJ + Javonte Green + Jose
Pels: Isaiah Stewart + Tim Hardaway + DFS + Cam Johnson + (2) 1st via Brooklyn + (1) swap via Detroit + (2) 2nds via Detroit
Murray/ / Reeves
Herb/ Hawk/ Boston
BI/ DFS/
Trey/ Cam Johnson
Missi/ Stewart
Pistons: CJ + Javonte Green + Jose
Pels: Isaiah Stewart + Tim Hardaway + DFS + Cam Johnson + (2) 1st via Brooklyn + (1) swap via Detroit + (2) 2nds via Detroit
Murray/ / Reeves
Herb/ Hawk/ Boston
BI/ DFS/
Trey/ Cam Johnson
Missi/ Stewart
This post was edited on 12/15/24 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:10 am to Dantheman504
Cam Johnson has almost equal value to Zion right now..
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:28 am to brmark70816
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Cam Johnson has almost equal value to Zion right now..
The Nets want to get worse that's why they traded Schroeder. Also Zion will bring in alot of money in a big market.
A frontcourt of Zion/ Claxton and $100 mil space is very enticing for free agents and a franchise reset.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:31 am to brmark70816
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Cam Johnson has almost equal value to Zion right now..
Zion's lack of reliability certainly limits the amount of interested buyers, but the teams that would be buying Zion would be ones that convince themselves that they can make it work with him. Are you selling low on Zion by selling now? Yes, but that doesn't mean his value is the same as role player.
It really is a shame Miami is so tapped out on assets. They are a team that would believe they could fix him. I do think Brooklyn is a team that would value Zion because even though the KD experiment failed spectacularly, it did show that once you had an anchor star you could attract other star players easily in that market.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:52 am to TigerinATL
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Yes, but that doesn't mean his value is the same as role player.
There are serious discussions about outright cutting Zion. He is not healing and may not play the remainder of the season. I'm sure some teams might want to claim him as a reclamation project. But that doesn't happen at over 35M+ per year.
Cam Johnson is a solid starter and has played at high levels, for really good teams. I'd put him right at Ingrams level (not as good offensively, but way better on defense). He also doesn't miss much time. Supposedly, they are seeking multiple 1sts for him. I really don't think they want him to go, so it will take a strong offer.
It really doesn't make a ton of sense to target Johnson, while we still have Ingram, Murphy and Jones. It's not really a need, and he would be splitting time..
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:28 pm to brmark70816
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Cam Johnson has almost equal value to Zion right now..
Stupidest thing I’ve read in awhile….
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:42 pm to Townedrunkard
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Stupidest thing I’ve read in awhile….
You obviously are not up to date with current trade values and league rumors. Perhaps you should read more..
Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:48 pm to brmark70816
No, it’s the dumbest thing since his prior post
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:08 pm to Townedrunkard
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Cam Johnson has almost equal value to Zion right now
I believe the OP is correct, Zion's talent and ceiling is significantly higher than Cam, but injury risk (availability) makes them comparable in value. This has always been my biggest issue with Zion/Org, data is near for sure that he should not be playing North of 265 lbs. (this shite about body weight composition is crazy stupid) his lower body can not handle that amount of weight.
Neither Zion nor the organization have been accountable on this one point. I think Nelson knew a long time ago what the story was going to be if he didn't cut weight, even green-lighting Zion's hiatus at the Nike factory in Portland.
More concerning is the amount of leg injuries that are compiling and degrading the talent ceiling he does have. I think the organizations' discussion has to be a commitment to his conditioning, if you can't get the commitment you have to think about cutting bait.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:15 pm to Pistol44
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I believe the OP is correct, Zion's talent and ceiling is significantly higher than Cam, but injury risk (availability) makes them comparable in value. This has always been my biggest issue with Zion/Org, data is near for sure that he should not be playing North of 265 lbs. (this shite about body weight composition is crazy stupid) his lower body can not handle that amount of weight.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:19 pm to Pistol44
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I believe the OP is correct, Zion's talent and ceiling is significantly higher than Cam, but injury risk (availability) makes them comparable in value. This has always been my biggest issue with Zion/Org, data is near for sure that he should not be playing North of 265 lbs. (this shite about body weight composition is crazy stupid) his lower body can not handle that amount of weight.
He edited the original trade. He initially had the Nets trading DFS, Johnson, and 3 1sts for Zion. I never said that Johnson had more value than Zion. I said they are almost equal at this point. So, if it was Johnson and a 1st (or a swap), plus maybe some additional filler, that would be more in line with values. DFS is a big expiring and very desirable right now. Johnson is being shopped for multiple 1sts. So, that is basically saying that Zion should get back 5-6 1sts in a trade. Is that anywhere close to being true right now?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:44 pm to brmark70816
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He edited the original trade.
OK, got your meaning now. If you could ever get 3 1st. for just about any player you'd have to seriously consider. I don't believe you'd get that for Cam or Zion. 5-6 1st. is off the chain wild.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 2:00 pm to brmark70816
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said they are almost equal at this point.
They’re not even close, Zion would fetch a huge trade package from anyone dealing for him. There’s zero risk with his contract, and there is nothing but possible reward.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:24 pm to Soggymoss
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Zion would fetch a huge trade package from anyone dealing for him.
There is no logical basis for this..
quote:
There’s zero risk with his contract, and there is nothing but possible reward.
This isn't true. He's probably not playing this year. So they would have to keep his contract for next year, to get any value back. If he's hurt or fails next year, the other team is out picks (the huge package you mentioned), plus 35M+. That's not to mention what happens to the locker room and team culture. Seems like a big risk to me..
Posted on 12/15/24 at 5:11 pm to brmark70816
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You obviously are not up to date with current trade values and league rumors. Perhaps you should read more..
Or maybe I just know more than most gms. Definitely our dumass gm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:19 pm to brmark70816
quote:By who? Not the Pelicans. Message board posters do not matter.
There are serious discussions about outright cutting Zion.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:36 am to brmark70816
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He edited the original trade. He initially had the Nets trading DFS, Johnson, and 3 1sts for Zion. I never said that Johnson had more value than Zion. I said they are almost equal at this point. So, if it was Johnson and a 1st (or a swap), plus maybe some additional filler, that would be more in line with values.
I did edit from (3) 1st to (2) 1st because I honestly didn't realize how well Johnson was playing.
But i still think (2) 1st + Cam Johnson + DFS for Zion is about even.
Teams aren't trading for the current hurt Zion, they are trading for his ceiling and marketability.
Cam Johnson will never be "equal" to Zion. You can attract fans, players, etc with Zion compared to Cam Johnson who is just a player.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:57 am to Dantheman504
Pels get MPJ, Ausar Thompson, Isaiah Stewart, Detroit '27 & '29 1st, Det '25 2nd (TOR), Detroit '28 pick swap
Pistons get Zion and Zeke Nnaji and Cancar
Nuggets get CJ, Fontecchio, Pels/Bucks or Det '27 1st (whichevers worst)
We get out of the tax, Denver gets out of 1st apron.
Pistons get Zion and Zeke Nnaji and Cancar
Nuggets get CJ, Fontecchio, Pels/Bucks or Det '27 1st (whichevers worst)
We get out of the tax, Denver gets out of 1st apron.
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