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re: Aug 6th BI Deadline
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:47 pm to Pistol44
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:47 pm to Pistol44
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There will be a robust market at the deadline for a number of Pels. Always teams thinking they’re one player away from the brass ring. Unless the team tanks (unlikely) Griff could be in the catbird seat come February.
Again in regards to BI though, if he doesn’t sign today- he can’t be traded at deadline or this season. Instead CJ likely would be the guy to be shipped come February.
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Again in regards to BI though, if he doesn’t sign today- he can’t be traded at deadline or this season. Instead CJ likely would be the guy to be shipped come February.
For sure, maybe a late extension to keep options available, but point being there are a number of good players vying for finite minutes. Play style is set and roles more defined, so its not going to be just a matter of talent but also fit that determines team value. Griff could have luxury of being a prime seller in a buyers market.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:20 pm to brmark70816
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That's a bad deal for us right now. The market just showed us his worth, which is somewhere around 25-30M/year. I'm pretty sure he's going to demand a 4 year deal. So I think a 4Y/110M deal would be fair for both sides. Slight overpay. But it would get it done. His agent has got to be realistic and see that a max deal is not coming. He needs to lock down that last big deal..
Bro, how are you always so far off?
Caldwell-pope got 3/66.
Bi is not taking anything less than 30 mil a year. And I think he will fight tooth and nail not to take anything under 40. Ingram truly believes he is a 50 mil a yr guy.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:24 pm to NOSHAU
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Good teams do not let young talented players walk for nothing. Having a reasonably priced contract secured may make him more marketable. The max demand is the main reason he has not been dealt.
Say it again for those in the back.
Some on here don't understand this.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
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To me the whole BI thing is an example of Griff valuing his own players more than the market does. And if thats the case- then just pay him but this no mans land scenario should not be an option.
I honestly think Griffin got caught with his pants down with the new cba.
Imo Griff thought he would always be able to trade him if he didn't re-sign.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:33 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The messed up part is that BI is getting devalued for doing exactly what the team asked him to do.
I thought he threw a bitch fit and wouldn't run the offense the way they drew it up early on.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:48 pm to Chalkywhite84
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I thought he threw a bitch fit and wouldn't run the offense the way they drew it up early on.
No, that was just made up shite from the board’s resident ‘mean girls’.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:51 pm to Pistol44
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No, that was just made up shite from the board’s resident ‘mean girls’.
It was reported he was bitching at Willie at halftime during the playoffs because of the offense. Not just “mean girl” stuff.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 5:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
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It was reported he was bitching at Willie at halftime during the playoffs because of the offense. Not just “mean girl” stuff.
OP referred to early season offense installation not playoff tension.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:10 pm to Pistol44
He could still be traded if no extension is signed. It would just be as an expiring and so worth less in many ways. You will have less leverage with trade partners unless it’s a team that feels he puts them over the top to a championship this year.
He’s simply not a great fit on this team and it’s the same garbage that Demps did with trying to fit a bunch of talented but random pieces onto a team. Add on top of it a coach with absolutely no creativity nor ability to adjust and you get the mess that is the Pelicans.
Sunk cost fallacy will be the question moving forward. Griffin has lost a lot of trades with the Pelicans. If he gets nothing out of Ingram of value, he will have basically wasted entirely the AD trade.
Lonzo? Wasted and no legit return.
NAW? Gone for nothing.
Hayes? Nothing
Hart helped get you CJ but team has done nothing in reality.
Ingram is the last piece and he is going to get way below actual value with how Griffin played it.
That trade was lost when Griffin was handed the opportunity to manage the pieces gained in it.
In the end, it will be another disappointing season.
He’s simply not a great fit on this team and it’s the same garbage that Demps did with trying to fit a bunch of talented but random pieces onto a team. Add on top of it a coach with absolutely no creativity nor ability to adjust and you get the mess that is the Pelicans.
Sunk cost fallacy will be the question moving forward. Griffin has lost a lot of trades with the Pelicans. If he gets nothing out of Ingram of value, he will have basically wasted entirely the AD trade.
Lonzo? Wasted and no legit return.
NAW? Gone for nothing.
Hayes? Nothing
Hart helped get you CJ but team has done nothing in reality.
Ingram is the last piece and he is going to get way below actual value with how Griffin played it.
That trade was lost when Griffin was handed the opportunity to manage the pieces gained in it.
In the end, it will be another disappointing season.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:32 pm to Geauxgurt
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That trade was lost when Griffin was handed the opportunity to manage the pieces gained in it.
Hrs fricked up almost every major decision he’s been handed. I really can’t think of a gm that has done less with more than what he was given and started off with.
I wish he would have pushed BI on Atlanta in the Murray trade and kept those assets. It doesn’t make sense for Atlanta to lose the next few years since SA owns their future. Having Capella would have made this team more complete.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 6:35 pm to Geauxgurt
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In the end, it will be another disappointing season
Or a season to remember, but I’m an optimist.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 7:25 pm to 50_Tiger
The problem is...BI is just a horrible "fit" in today's NBA...& most folks have figured it out by this point. There is absolutely NO way I would consider him to be the 2nd best player on last year's team & he would probably be a long shot to be in the top 4 this coming year IF we are forced to keep him.
Most teams are actually trying to win & Kerr immediately saw that BI was a "net negative"...basically a loser... and he was in a position where he was able to just sit his azz out. Willie has never been in a position where he could do that...for one reason or another.
It wouldn't bother me in the least if the Pels end up just letting BI "walk"...they would be a better team from the moment he walked out the door. "First impressions" are hard to forget...and my first one of BI was formed during the 5th game I ever watched the Pels play...during the '21-'22 season. It wasn't very flattering and since then... he has done absolutely nothing to make me change that opinion. I will be quite happy...when he is gone.
Of course...this is just MY opinion...I COULD be wrong.
Most teams are actually trying to win & Kerr immediately saw that BI was a "net negative"...basically a loser... and he was in a position where he was able to just sit his azz out. Willie has never been in a position where he could do that...for one reason or another.
It wouldn't bother me in the least if the Pels end up just letting BI "walk"...they would be a better team from the moment he walked out the door. "First impressions" are hard to forget...and my first one of BI was formed during the 5th game I ever watched the Pels play...during the '21-'22 season. It wasn't very flattering and since then... he has done absolutely nothing to make me change that opinion. I will be quite happy...when he is gone.
Of course...this is just MY opinion...I COULD be wrong.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 7:44 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Bro, how are you always so far off?
Caldwell-pope got 3/66.
Bi is not taking anything less than 30 mil a year. And I think he will fight tooth and nail not to take anything under 40. Ingram truly believes he is a 50 mil a yr guy.
Bridges got 3Y/74M. Bey got 3Y/19M.
He can hold out for whatever he wants. He might end up like Schroeder or Cousins and end up missing out by waiting for a better deal that never comes. He could have a major injury or keep declining.
I'm fascinated to see where he ends up. I don't see a bigger deal coming. But I could be wrong. Just the trend I'm seeing..
Posted on 8/6/24 at 9:24 pm to brmark70816
BI is not taking less than $36M/yr as a bare minimum as his next years salary, and plenty of teams would offer him that next offseason.
It is unrealistic to think he’d sign for $30m/yr and laughable to think less.
It is unrealistic to think he’d sign for $30m/yr and laughable to think less.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
Thought jv was gonna get 15 in a bigger market, he got 13 in a bigger market. If a bigger market can afford 40 a year, then he’s worth that now.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:31 pm to brmark70816
quote:What the hell does what Bey got matter? He is a fringe bench player. Bridges is someone who is lucky to even be playing in the NBA after his transgressions.
Bridges got 3Y/74M. Bey got 3Y/19M.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 3:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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BI is not taking less than $36M/yr as a bare minimum as his next years salary, and plenty of teams would offer him that next offseason.
Name them. Our team and his agent have been beating the bushes trying to find those teams for weeks. There are no takers.
Players do not always take ascending contracts or extensions.McCollum took less money and his yearly rate is declining. Players are worth what teams are willing to pay. Is he going to end up like Gary Trent?
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It is unrealistic to think he’d sign for $30m/yr and laughable to think less.
Hold onto that thought. We'll see what he gets. If he doesn't sign something now and elects to play out this year, do you believe he'll be able to shine on our team this year?
The hierarchy is clear. Zion is #1. Murray is the PG and will have the ball in his hands the most. McCollum and Murphy are our shooters. Simple math shows that Ingram's numbers are going to dip playing on our team next year. We aren't having 5 guys averaging 20+ppg. So a couple of guy's numbers are going down. I think it's realistic that Ingram ends up around 18/4/3 next season at best.
There are always outliers. Jerami Grant got that huge deal last year (5Y/160M). But Portland already wants to dump him and it's considered a negative contract. He couldn't get that now and he had a solid year. Ingram is not considered a franchise or max player at this point. He's struggled to prove that he's #2 on a contending team. So where does that leave him?
Posted on 8/7/24 at 5:22 am to brmark70816
There is no real practical situation where BI should be on this team this season. None.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 6:09 am to brmark70816
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He's struggled to prove that he's #2 on a contending team
When? The only time Zion has played like a number 1 next to BI, we were dominating. Then BI got hurt. Then Zion got hurt.
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