re: Article in The Ringer about Pels future

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The idea of trying to beat the Warriors at their own game now seems foolish given that their players are and will be superior. I also have to disagree with the mindset of trying to beat the Warrior now. I think the team needs to resign Cousins and gradually improve with the core of AD, Jrue, and Cousins. Rushing to make the team better this offseason could fail, as it did in 2008. Being patient and finding those good, under the radar deals (like Mirotic) is how to improve. The mindset should be to make another playoff run next season and be ready to realistically compete the following season.

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This is conflicting principles. You cannot "disagree with the mindset of trying to beat the Warriors now" and think the "team needs to resign Boogie" while making "under the radar deals (like Mirotic)".

Re-signing Boogie means we will be trying to beat the Warriors now since we will be making a big tax payment and you only lay out that kind of cash for a contender. Re-signing Boogie also means Mirotic is very likely gone after next season considering we would have $100M tied up in 4 players if we re-sign Niko and if we keep Niko it means we have used our assets to dunmp Solo/Moore.

I love Boogie and want to keep AD happy, so I want to see Boogie re-signed, but if the only goal is to retool to have the best shot at beating the Warriors in the near future, then adding Porter and hoping AD/Jrue elevate their game would be the better route.

Green could not hang with Boogie in the post...you cannot possibly put together a team of scorers that will be better than the Warriors at what they do. You play big, muck up their flow, and let Boogie be Shaq 2.0 on the block.

the hope would have to be Davis saw how good they could be with him taking on more as a 5 and that he is willing to do that more often. they still need bodies at the 5 (Okafor/Diallo/someone else).

Davis is the perfect modern 5. if Davis feels that way still seems like a long shot, but maybe this success opened the door a little

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I also thought Gentry had some interesting post game comments. He said you don't beat the Warriors with defense, you beat them by outscoring them.

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it's tricky. i don't particularly agree with that, but i get the sentiment. you have to be great on both offense and defense to beat the Warriors. i dont think just bringing Cousins back, even at 100%, is enough for the Pels. imo, the defense would drop off too much to bother GS.

Davis at the 5 is the best antidote for beating the Warriors, but the Pels size/talent defensively let them down and they didn't have enough offense around Davis to hurt them. since GS switches everything in their best lineups, a team needs multiple guys who can attack those switches and create. the Pels arent there. Davis still got his numbers, but they game-planned for him and it made it much much harder for him to score. the rest of the team just couldn't take advantage of the opportunities they had- the Warriors, locked in, are really fricking good

The vibe I got was that the article says moves should be made in consideration of beating the Warriors. Not necessarily that we should play the same way, but that defensive matchups must be considered.

It's Gentry who is saying we need to copy their style and focus on scoring more points. Without playing better defense we'd need to shoot for +120/game and I don't think that's realistic for this squad. If you want to run that style then the Pelicans need better shooters.

The Pels need to figure out who they want to be. There's still an identity crisis. They were better offensively when running a fluid offense and getting the ball in the paint compared to jacking long shots early in the shot clock. Demps and the front office will show Gentry the numbers and we'll how Gentry responds and the two decide to move forward.

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Guys like David West, Swaggy P, Javale Magee etc, who want to be part of a winner.

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But they already are part of a winner. Why would they leave?

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They aren't leaving GSW. Those were examples of types of veteran players to target: veterans who have played 10+ years, likely in their early-mid 30's, who have made money (so will take less) and want to chase a ring with a potential contender.

Example from 2018: Rondo

This FA class even looks bad for ring chasing vets. Scanning through next years FAs LINK the names that stood out were:

Aaron Afflalo
Mo Speights
Anthony Tolliver

Barring a trade of Niko or Diallo we don't need the bigs. How much Afflalo has left in the tank would be interesting to see. He's been in bad situations the last several years so I doubt he's tried very hard. At his peak he was one of the better 3 and D role playing wings out there.

I think as things develop, you go to Davis and say here’s the options and lay it out for him. We can keep and sign Boogie if he wants to stay but this limits other options. If it’s more important for AD to play with his friend than possibly improve the roster or at least shift it then that’s his call if it keeps him happy. If he wants a better chance of winning and that’s important then give him options do what May be available.

No one in this thread is factoring in the fact that we’ll be lucky if Boogie comes back at 100%. The fact there’s even an argument that we’d be better with Porter and Gortat than a healthy Cousins, tells me that with the injury factored in a trade is the smart move as long as AD and Rondo are on board.

obligatory "Bill Simmons can swallow my balls" post

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Guys like David West, Swaggy P, Javale Magee etc, who want to be part of a winner.
But they already are part of a winner.

"Like" the above players, not specifically these guys