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Article in The Ringer about Pels future
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:46 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:46 am
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New Orleans’ playoff run has shown that the team has two cornerstones in need of a third. It’s also shown that the third star probably isn’t DeMarcus Cousins. The Pelicans’ summer plans could be the difference between making a leap and treading water.
This a great article that talks about the future of the Pels and what to do about the Cousins situation.
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:53 am to thefarva78
The Cousins for Porter S&T seems so perfect for us but I have a hard time seeing Washington making that trade without knowing what Boogie will be like coming back from injury.
ETA: Maybe Washington is just desperate enough to try to semi-rebuild around Wall and Beal after another underwhelming season, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
ETA: Maybe Washington is just desperate enough to try to semi-rebuild around Wall and Beal after another underwhelming season, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:56 am to thefarva78
Thanks for posting. Good article.
The thing I don’t want them to do is to make an all out one year run for the title. They need to build like they have 3 more years. Basically hope the warriors flame out.
The thing I don’t want them to do is to make an all out one year run for the title. They need to build like they have 3 more years. Basically hope the warriors flame out.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:02 am to quail man
I don't see any way of trading Boogie and keeping Davis
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:08 am to saints5021
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I don't see any way of trading Boogie and keeping Davis
What if the trade you make for Boogie gets you 50+ wins and a top 4 seed next year? I agree that they need to keep Davis happy, but I think the best way to do that is to keep building on this year, whatever it takes. If they resign Boogie, and he's only 50% of his old self, they'll be worse and then Davis leaves in 3 years.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:09 am to thefarva78
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The final step for Davis is becoming a player who creates easy shots for his teammates. No one in the league can guard him one-on-one.
AD is not this all worldly one on one player. He still has a ton of room to improve in that category. beginning of last year he started the season on a tear hitting floaters in the lane. You see that from him every now and then now. He needs to get better at recognizing when he needs to force himself to the rim, and when he needs to hit that floater.
AD can be unguardable one on one in the flow of the offense, but not strictly as a clear it out and give him the ball type of guy.
I would love a Porter for Cousins swap.
And if we moved away from Cousins, i'd love to find a way to bring in Marvin Williams from Charlotte to backup AD and Niko.
Not sure what the outgoing value of trading Okafor and Liggins are. Okafor shows up as having a 2.2M salary next year, but i'm sure very little of that is guaranteed.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:15 am to saints5021
Yeah, that article just kind of Yada Yadaed past the whole AD at center saying you could get someone to do it in the regular season. Many of Demps' worst moves were made because AD is so dead set against being the full time center. I'm not sure 15 MPG of Okafor and Diallo are good enough for him to be ok with his BFF leaving.
I also thought Gentry had some interesting post game comments. He said you don't beat the Warriors with defense, you beat them by outscoring them. Maybe that's based on his own offensive skewed philosophy, but Gentry knows that Warriors team well and he's put a lot of focus on defense since he became coach for someone with his Offense Only reputation. If you beat the Warriors by outscoring them then Cousins helps, not hurts.
My personal opinion is I love this Defend and Run style they've been playing and Porter fits that a lot better than Boogie. So I would make the trade. I'm not sure that makes us any better suited to beat the Warriors though. Maybe you push them to 7 but they still have 2 MVPs and 2 Evil Jrue level players in Klay and Draymod.
I also thought Gentry had some interesting post game comments. He said you don't beat the Warriors with defense, you beat them by outscoring them. Maybe that's based on his own offensive skewed philosophy, but Gentry knows that Warriors team well and he's put a lot of focus on defense since he became coach for someone with his Offense Only reputation. If you beat the Warriors by outscoring them then Cousins helps, not hurts.
My personal opinion is I love this Defend and Run style they've been playing and Porter fits that a lot better than Boogie. So I would make the trade. I'm not sure that makes us any better suited to beat the Warriors though. Maybe you push them to 7 but they still have 2 MVPs and 2 Evil Jrue level players in Klay and Draymod.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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Not sure what the outgoing value of trading Okafor and Liggins are. Okafor shows up as having a 2.2M salary next year, but i'm sure very little of that is guaranteed.
They changed that in the most recent CBA. Contracts only count for their guaranteed money in a trade now so teams can no longer do a trade and cut to save money unless they have a grandfathered in older contract like Asik's.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:24 am to Cap Crunch
I was very intrigued by that S&T option as well. This team needs a 3 BAD. That showed this series trying to have Jrue guard KD. He did as well as he could for being 8 inches shorter. You won’t ever contain KD but having someone with length and athleticism will definitely help guarding him.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:28 am to thefarva78
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New Orleans, in contrast, doesn’t start a single player between 6-foot-5 and 6-foot-9, and the Pelicans don’t have a true small forward on their roster. Their wing rotation consists solely of converted guards (Jrue Holiday and E’Twaun Moore) and small-ball power forwards (Nikola Mirotic, Solomon Hill, and Darius Miller).
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Porter checks every box: At 6-foot-8 and 198 pounds with a 7-foot-1.5 wingspan
I understand the article and he raises valid points on roster construction vs the Warriors, but 6'8" Miller and 6'7" Solo are small-ball PF's, while 6'8" Porter is a true small forward?
Porter is a more complete SF because he can defend and shoot, but if Solo is just a small ball PF, then so is Porter.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:30 am to NOFOX
the article was written by a guy that just realized the Pelicans existed about 3 weeks ago.
He's clearly not aware that Solo missed 75% of the season, and is our normal starting SF.
He's clearly not aware that Solo missed 75% of the season, and is our normal starting SF.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:31 am to NOFOX
The only way Boogie will leave us is on his own accord, Davis won't let us trade him.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:31 am to thefarva78
The article is good, but I have to disagree with its overall point. The idea of trying to beat the Warriors at their own game now seems foolish given that their players are and will be superior. I also have to disagree with the mindset of trying to beat the Warrior now. I think the team needs to resign Cousins and gradually improve with the core of AD, Jrue, and Cousins. Rushing to make the team better this offseason could fail, as it did in 2008. Being patient and finding those good, under the radar deals (like Mirotic) is how to improve. The mindset should be to make another playoff run next season and be ready to realistically compete the following season.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:37 am to cashflippa
quote:The curious thing though is how Gentry would adjust to bringing Boogie back. Boogie clearly does not fit the offensive style that Gentry likes to play. It is definitely an interesting dilemma this offseason.
The article is good, but I have to disagree with its overall point. The idea of trying to beat the Warriors at their own game now seems foolish given that their players are and will be superior. I also have to disagree with the mindset of trying to beat the Warrior now. I think the team needs to resign Cousins and gradually improve with the core of AD, Jrue, and Cousins. Rushing to make the team better this offseason could fail, as it did in 2008. Being patient and finding those good, under the radar deals (like Mirotic) is how to improve. The mindset should be to make another playoff run next season and be ready to realistically compete the following season.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:39 am to NOSHAU
I agree. There are so many variables with the Cousin situation. I guess my point was trying to beat the Warriors now seems like the wrong decision.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:39 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah, that article just kind of Yada Yadaed past the whole AD at center saying you could get someone to do it in the regular season. Many of Demps' worst moves were made because AD is so dead set against being the full time center. I'm not sure 15 MPG of Okafor and Diallo are good enough for him to be ok with his BFF leaving.
You know my feelings on this. If we abandon DoItBig to maintain the 2nd half style of play, Mike Muscala as the 3rd big would be ideal. He can guard the C and stretch the floor while hustling and playing smart defense like Niko. So you could have Niko/Muscala guard opposing C's for the vast majority of minutes.
If we were to decide to go that route, my ideal would be to try for Porter/Satoransky for Boogie with Mahinimi getting dumped to SAC, then S&T Muscala for Anjiica.
Rondo-Satoransky
Jrue-Etwaun
Porter - Darius
Niko - Solo
AD - Muscala/Cheick
*Solo or Etwaun may have to be dumped in this scenario to make luxury tax payments realistic.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:41 am to TeddyPadillac
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the article was written by a guy that just realized the Pelicans existed about 3 weeks ago.
He's clearly not aware that Solo missed 75% of the season, and is our normal starting SF.
Ehh, Tjarks is a pretty knowledgable NBA writer. He's probably just aware that Solo isn't any good.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:41 am to thefarva78
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It’s also shown that the third star probably isn’t DeMarcus Cousins.
Disagree. Bringing back Boogie has many intangible benefits, including boosting team (and more importantly AD's) morale. Gotta keep AD happy.
If you have a core of AD/Boogie/Jrue, veterans will want to come play for the Pels. Guys like David West, Swaggy P, Javale Magee etc, who want to be part of a winner.
You can't beat the Warriors at run-n-gun basketball. You've got to zig when they zag, and that zag is Boogie.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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I would make the trade. I'm not sure that makes us any better suited to beat the Warriors though. Maybe you push them to 7 but they still have 2 MVPs and 2 Evil Jrue level players in Klay and Draymod.
Pushing them to 7 is just about the only thing we or anyone else can really hope for. I'd certainly take that improvement. Houston, with all the improvements they have made to match up with the Warriors, are in the same boat. This is an all-time great team with a ridiculous combination of mvp players, all-stars, and the deepest bench in the league.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:46 am to MardiGrasMambo
quote:But they already are part of a winner. Why would they leave?
Guys like David West, Swaggy P, Javale Magee etc, who want to be part of a winner.
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