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re: Any possible way we can make a move for Steven Adams?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:17 am to Pelefraan 1
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:17 am to Pelefraan 1
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meant we gave up too much get him,
George hill, 2 seconds, and a handful of dudes is too much?
You trippin
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Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:19 am to Pelefraan 1
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2 very good seconds which are arguably better than a protected late first.
What in the actual frick?
2nd round picks are nothing
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:22 am to Pelefraan 1
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Forget Hill
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(combined with Hill)
So which is it?
As one guy said, we never really had Hill. He was always just a salary piece in this whole thing, at least from our perspective. We didn't want him and have young guys we want to get the ball into their hands.
Hill would just kill the development side in terms of minutes, not fit into our plans long term, and cost more than he should.
There are a few teams who'd be looking for that vet point guard to get some minutes and help develop young guys, but we literally got a much better, younger version of that in Bledsoe so we literally had no use for Hill.
Whatever he brought in 3 pt shooting, JJ does it better for only SLIGHTLY more, while hitting twice as many a game.
And again we gave up 2 2nds (who fricking cares about those, especially when we have so many first to try to figure out), and only 1 lottery protected first.
Adams is WELL worth a lottery protected 1st. No question.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:23 am to rondo
2nd rounders aren't nothing or no one would ever deal them
Early second rounders are more valuable than late 1st rounders because they don't represent guaranteed salary
Early second rounders are more valuable than late 1st rounders because they don't represent guaranteed salary
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:27 am to Pelefraan 1
That's a stretch man
1st rounders have more value because they acquire better players
1st rounders have more value because they acquire better players
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:27 am to Pelefraan 1
To a team that already has some core pieces, tons of firsts, and no space for all those 2nds, yes they are practically worthless to us.
Another team that's still developing and has tons of bare spots like OKC because they just blew it up, they are going to value those way more than us.
We found they exact right team to trade our useless picks (for us) to.
Another team that's still developing and has tons of bare spots like OKC because they just blew it up, they are going to value those way more than us.
We found they exact right team to trade our useless picks (for us) to.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:28 am to rondo
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1st rounders have more value because they acquire better players
And then generally only lottery players tend to pan out to boot.
How many 2nd rounders in the league are really worth a shite, and what's the span of years they come from?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:34 am to Pelefraan 1
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Early second rounders are more valuable than late 1st rounders because they don't represent guaranteed salary
People say that a lot but it really depends on the team. A contender in the tax wanting to cut a guy that doesn't work out with no financial commitment would rather early 2nds than late 1sts. Most other teams would rather the first because if the guy does work out you have control for up to 7-9 years, not 2.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:35 am to Pelefraan 1
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Do you have anything better to do than argue with me about semantics?
Says the guy who was literally doing this with me.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:35 am to rondo
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1st rounders have more value because they acquire better players
Difference between 26-30 and 31-35 is minimal
But any second round pick is a free hit
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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Yes, it was an overpay. Stop arguing that.
No it wasn't, dad.
I'll never get why people can't grasp that we had the salary on our books regardless of who we paid.
We just acquired a very good starting center for 3 years, 2 at a very reasonable salary, who will be only 30 AFTER his last season here. He is very much worth that cap space compared to who went sent out (Jrue aside but that's also why we got Bledsoe who always gets conveniently left out even though Hill is always brought up).
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 8:46 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 8:39 am to Pelefraan 1
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Of course it's the trade value. That's why we're hoarding all these extra picks
But then y'all whine and scream overpay when we actually trade them. Hilarious.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:28 am to Soggymoss
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He would be a guy that can give us 20 minutes a game until Zion takes over at the 5 for crunch time..
If we dont give up anything of value
Aren't you the same poster who said he's a top 5 center?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:33 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Nah, feels like the general concensus I've read from Pels insiders and NBA insiders all seem to think we overpaid a bit. Nothing too crazy but definitely not a "shite take" to say we overpaid.
Nah, shite take
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:46 am to shel311
We paid 2 second rounders and end of bench fodder for Adams. The Bucks paid a first and Hill. We never had the first and Hill, regardless of what the initial reports were.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:46 am to Pelefraan 1
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It's all the picks we gave up that I think is egregious (combined with Hill)
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:47 am to Epic Cajun
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We paid 2 second rounders and end of bench fodder for Adams
with the idea in mind that he would likely sign an extension, for much cheaper.
these dudes really think the picks were gave up were valuable
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:48 am to shel311
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Pels insiders and NBA insiders all seem to think we overpaid a bit. Nothing too crazy but definitely not a "shite take" to say we overpaid.
do they think the trade package was an over pay or do they think the Pels could have made no move at all an added a cheaper player at center?
I haven't seen much gripe about what they actually gave up.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:50 am to shel311
You guys have done a great job exploring the “did we overpay” question.
Am thinking Adams will be a bigger contributor to our success under SVG than Gentry.
Much bigger emphasis on defense vs run run run.
Am thinking Adams will be a bigger contributor to our success under SVG than Gentry.
Much bigger emphasis on defense vs run run run.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:51 am to Lester Earl
quote:Yes, a slight overpay is what I'm seeing most places specifically for the Adams piece.
do they think the trade package was an over pay
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