re: Any possible way we can make a move for Steven Adams?

The problem with your logic is that this can be viewed differently for every team and every year. Most of the players you listed were drafted to teams with several open roster spots or needing to fill their roster at the time.

The Pelicans have 2 future stars to build on and several role players. At this point we are trying to form a certain roster/ skill set and don't need to play guessing games.

If a team does not value 2nd rd draft picks in a certain season than it is still okay. Those same teams can still take a chance on 2 way contracts. Those teams also will be able to pick up other players who were cut for 2nd rd picks or higher salary players.

For example we now have:

Naji Marshall

Wenyen Gabriel


I really like both of those guys and they have just as much potential as a 2nd rd pick, if not more considering Gabriel.

I actually argued that mid to late firsts do have a low hit rate, which is why the protected first isn't high value either.

More valuable than the 2nds for sure, but outside the top 10 is hard to find good players (compared to the hit rate inside the top 10, or the top 3-4 especially).

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I just gave you my list of those better.

Saying KAT is statistically better at everything besides shooting shows you do no research. Look up per 36.

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You have neither provided that list nor backed anything you have said up: go look up vague X or Y thing is not an argument.



What exactly was this supposed to magically do in supporting your argument that Adams is a better center than Towns and "all Towns can do better than Adams is shoot the three"

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Because like I said, Towns is statistically better than Adams at basically everything besides defense(and screen setting).

And like I said in a prior discussion on this, if you go look at the advanced tracking metrics for each player on NBA.com, Towns is superior at boxing out as well(Towns commands a 90% team Reb rate when he is boxing out vs Adams 80%, Adams has more succesful box outs with his team recovering the ball per game, but not enough to close the gap with Towns in overall Rebounding production). And when you look at screen assists the difference between Adams and Towns a game is about 2 points. But Towns eliminates that gap completely by actually assisting at a higher rate as a facilitator.

Player A:
Total rebound 16.8%
Assist 22.8%
Steal 1.3%
Blk 2.9%
Turnover 13.2%
OWS 3.7
DWS 1.3
WS 5.1

Player B:
Total rebound 19.2%
Assist 13.2%
Steal 1.5%
Blk 3.4%
Turnover 14.2%
OWS 3.8
DWS 2.7
WS 6.5

Which player would you rather have?

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He is good enough to be in the talks for top 5 center.

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There's quite literally zero argument for him as a top 5 center.

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So far his 2 yr 35 mil extension and his 1 year with us will probably make him a top 3 center per contract/ output easily.

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Is Andrew Wiggins a top 5 or whatever wing? Where a player ranks in salary is irrelevant to how good he is and whether he's top 5.

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Would you rather KAT for 33 mil over Adams for 17.5?? Hell no.

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Kat, all day. Very easily.

Also, you interestingly used all 3 of Adams' years to in 1 point, then only 2 of his years to compare him to KAT on your next point. That's a bit disingenuous. It's not $17.5 for Adams, it's 3 years and I think around $64mil

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I would say Adams is around 10th in terms of center rankings.

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Agreed

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In a vacuum KAT is better, but for this team? Give me Adams. This team needs a defensive center next to Zion.

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I hear ya on a defensive center, but at some point, a guy is just too good to pass up, and KAT is pretty obviously that good.

KAT would also instantly be the best shooter on our team, something we need.

I'll put it this way, since you say we need defense more, does that mean you'd still want Adams over Jokic?

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KAT is an amazing offensive center, but dude is absolutely horrid defensively.

For this team or any team with 2 or more offensive talents, you gotta go with Adams.

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So you'd take Adams over Jokic too?

Jokic is bad defensively, but they're ain't no way any one of you can say with a straight face you'd take Adams over Jokic because Jokic sucks defensively.

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I'll put it this way, since you say we need defense more, does that mean you'd still want Adams over Jokic?

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I would take Jokic, but he’s not as horrendous as KAT is on the defensive side of the ball. He also adds some playmaking on the offensive side of the ball that KAT doesn’t. I just don’t think KAT plays winning basketball. He’s like the Carmelo Anthony of centers.

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KAT would also instantly be the best shooter on our team, something we need.

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JJ?

PER has Hassan Whiteside, Mitchell Robinson, Montrezl Harrel, John Collins, Christian Wood etc as top 20 players in the NBA. I guess we should just call them that then?


You literally said KAT is better at everything besides defense and screening. Advamced metrics don't show that though.

Shooting KAT
Screens Adams
Passing slight edge KAT
Rebounding Adams
Defense Adams
Blocks Adams

I'll even add in BBIQ Adams>>>>>KAT

Now of you want to ask a list of who's better for this particular Pelicans team, then my list would look more like yours