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re: 30 trades for 30 teams
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:34 am to Bronc
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:34 am to Bronc
there will agitation among the impatient fans this offseason because it will be boring and quiet after the draft. the overwhelming likelihood is that the current roster(-snell+#8) will be the roster on opening night
that would mean that of the 15, the pels would have rostered eight homegrown players (draft & rookie FA), six players acquired via trade, and only one veteran free agent signing (billy). thats pretty amazing
that would mean that of the 15, the pels would have rostered eight homegrown players (draft & rookie FA), six players acquired via trade, and only one veteran free agent signing (billy). thats pretty amazing
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:03 am to Lester Earl
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Kira is the age of a lot of the guys coming out of the draft thing year.
you can look at that positively and negatively.
positive is that he's still young, only 21.
negative is that he's played 2 years of college and 2 years in the NBA, yet he's still way behind many of the players he was drafted with. You'd expect him to be a bit more developed than others in his draft class with all his experience. But you know what, talent trumps experience more often than not.
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He is a better developmental piece than Alvarado, for example
What do you see Kira developing into?
Why can't Jose develop more to his game? He doesn't need to do anythign defensively, like Kira does. I'd say he's better at getting to the rim and finishing than Kira. and considering Kira is one of 3 players from his 1st round draft class shooting under 30% from 3 (not including Okungwu and Bolmaro who haven't taken more than 20 3's combined in 2 years), Jose has just as much a chance at getting better from 3 as Kira considering his past shooting stats.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:12 am to cgrand
I don’t see us making a hugely dramatic trade given our current roster, but there are four guys who could realistically move (Jax, Kira, Temple, Graham) and we have a GM who has a history of attempting to trade back and get future assets / dump shite contracts.
Finding a way to turn 8, Graham, Temple, and Jax into a pick this year, future picks, and a backup 2 and a 4 seems like a Griff move.
Finding a way to turn 8, Graham, Temple, and Jax into a pick this year, future picks, and a backup 2 and a 4 seems like a Griff move.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:14 am to cgrand
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there will agitation among the impatient fans this offseason because it will be boring and quiet after the draft. the overwhelming likelihood is that the current roster(-snell+#8) will be the roster on opening night
that would mean that of the 15, the pels would have rostered eight homegrown players (draft & rookie FA), six players acquired via trade, and only one veteran free agent signing (billy). thats pretty amazing
And I hope that is correct tbh.
Cause the one dark lurking fear I have is that Rube Goldberg Machine David Griffin will be unable to help himself from over tinkering with the roster. As he has done almost every year since he has had any sort of GM powers. The guy loves making offseason moves, even if they sometimes just seem like moving deck chairs around.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:22 am to Bronc
if you take him at his word the team chemistry is the single most important thing to him. He will be blamed if he fricks it up, but if the team fricks it up themselves he’s off the hook
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:35 am to TeddyPadillac
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you can look at that positively and negatively. positive is that he's still young, only 21. negative is that he's played 2 years of college and 2 years in the NBA, yet he's still way behind many of the players he was drafted with. You'd expect him to be a bit more developed than others in his draft class with all his experience. But you know what, talent trumps experience more often than not.
Not more developed than others in his class since those guys are actually older (dude was 17 his entire freshman season), but compared to last year and this year’s draft class, that’s where he has an experience advantage against guys his own age. And that’s the point, when he comes back his age makes him more comparable to rookies and 2nd year guys and it won’t surprise me at all to see him compare favorably if he is healthy.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:41 am to cgrand
I have to imagine Griff is as happy as can be with the current state of the roster. Even if someone like Donovan Mitchell became available, would Griff give up CJ to go after him? I'm not sure he does because it feels like CJ has played a big role in bringing Zion back into the fold and is committed working at keeping Zion there.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:12 am to TigerinATL
I don't see us making any big trade moves anytime soon either, which is also why i don't see Kira being traded this year.
I do think we need that bench scorer that DG was supposed to be. Someone that should probably start over Herb, but is better utilized off the bench in a scoring role since he won't have that opportunity in the starting lineup. If Utah is blowing shite up, going after Jordan Clarkson would be a nice move to make.
That's the kind of trade i'd like to see, whether it's Jax or DG going out i don't care.
I do think we need that bench scorer that DG was supposed to be. Someone that should probably start over Herb, but is better utilized off the bench in a scoring role since he won't have that opportunity in the starting lineup. If Utah is blowing shite up, going after Jordan Clarkson would be a nice move to make.
That's the kind of trade i'd like to see, whether it's Jax or DG going out i don't care.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:12 am to TigerinATL
I don’t see a major move at this point like grabbing a star. We should have all our key pieces unless Zion forces his way out.
Supporting cast? That can change depending on who is available and what our trade assets are worth.
Supporting cast? That can change depending on who is available and what our trade assets are worth.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:14 pm to teke184
I'm not sure how anyone could watch Jose and Kira and come to the conclusion that Kira has more potential.
Based on what?
Toughness - Alvorado
Leadership - Alvorado
Defense - Alvorado
Ballhandling - Alvorado
3-point shooting - Alvorado
Floater - Alvorado
Finishing at the rim - Kira (but that's not saying much)
Directing an offense - Alvorado
Dribbling really fast but going nowhere - Kira
Based on what?
Toughness - Alvorado
Leadership - Alvorado
Defense - Alvorado
Ballhandling - Alvorado
3-point shooting - Alvorado
Floater - Alvorado
Finishing at the rim - Kira (but that's not saying much)
Directing an offense - Alvorado
Dribbling really fast but going nowhere - Kira
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:22 pm to ghost2most
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Toughness - Alvorado
Leadership - Alvorado
Defense - Alvorado
Ballhandling - Alvorado
3-point shooting - Alvorado
Floater - Alvorado
Finishing at the rim - Kira (but that's not saying much)
Directing an offense - Alvorado
Dribbling really fast but going nowhere - Kira
If you're talking about potential and ceiling the majority of this isn't true. One of the reasons Kira was drafted as high as he was was because of how efficient he was scoring from all three levels at Alabama. The way he was able to include others, specifically using ball screens, etc etc.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 6/1/22 at 3:59 pm to ghost2most
This is honestly an accurate assessment, but I’m sure you will probably get some heat for it.
Here is my thing on Kira. The one great game out of 25 he has, he still ends up with 12-16 points and 3 assists.
Compare that someone like Maxey, even in his rookie year, Maxey was casually scoring 12-16 points in his sleep. Kira scores 12 points and it seems like 30. Maxey scores 30 and it seems like 12 because he does it so damn effortlessly.
It’s just been pretty obvious from the jump we completely swung and missed on Kira. Bey and Maxey are the 2 obvious picks that were better. But even guys like Payton Pritchard are miles ahead of Kira Lewis at the moment.
If you did a redraft of the 2020 draft, I’m not sure Kira would go top 30.
Is he a bust? Maybe. Too early to tell. I will say, his upside seems to be role player more than potential star or quasi all star though.
He just has not looked right at this level. If his rookie year and his 2nd year reps weren’t enough, go look at his 2nd year summer league tape.
That’s a platform where he should’ve dominated with a year of experience and speed.
And tbh, he just looked like another guy out on the Summer league court.
I’m A OK moving on from Kira.
Truth be told, the only thing that intrigued me with Kira is potential chemistry and synergy with Herb Jones. But, Jose Alvarado has probably caught up with that by now considering Kira has been injured and Kira only played 1 year in college and a handful of games w Herb in the pros.
We should be shopping Kira, temple, Graham, and maybe a pick for an actual player that can positively contribute to at least a regular season rotation, if not a playoff one.
Here is my thing on Kira. The one great game out of 25 he has, he still ends up with 12-16 points and 3 assists.
Compare that someone like Maxey, even in his rookie year, Maxey was casually scoring 12-16 points in his sleep. Kira scores 12 points and it seems like 30. Maxey scores 30 and it seems like 12 because he does it so damn effortlessly.
It’s just been pretty obvious from the jump we completely swung and missed on Kira. Bey and Maxey are the 2 obvious picks that were better. But even guys like Payton Pritchard are miles ahead of Kira Lewis at the moment.
If you did a redraft of the 2020 draft, I’m not sure Kira would go top 30.
Is he a bust? Maybe. Too early to tell. I will say, his upside seems to be role player more than potential star or quasi all star though.
He just has not looked right at this level. If his rookie year and his 2nd year reps weren’t enough, go look at his 2nd year summer league tape.
That’s a platform where he should’ve dominated with a year of experience and speed.
And tbh, he just looked like another guy out on the Summer league court.
I’m A OK moving on from Kira.
Truth be told, the only thing that intrigued me with Kira is potential chemistry and synergy with Herb Jones. But, Jose Alvarado has probably caught up with that by now considering Kira has been injured and Kira only played 1 year in college and a handful of games w Herb in the pros.
We should be shopping Kira, temple, Graham, and maybe a pick for an actual player that can positively contribute to at least a regular season rotation, if not a playoff one.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:12 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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We should be shopping Kira, temple, Graham, and maybe a pick for an actual player that can positively contribute to at least a regular season rotation, if not a playoff one.
only to move up in the this draft...otherwise hang tight.
in other draft news, per woj:
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ESPN Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are deferring acquisition of the Philadelphia 76ers 2022 first-round pick at No. 23 to the 2023 NBA Draft. The option on pushing back pick comes out of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. Nets had to inform the league office of decision today.
today is 3 weeks before the draft. i guess we can assume that:
in 2023 pels will have until about now to declare a swap with lakers, and in 2024 will have about until now to decide whether to defer to 2025
Posted on 6/1/22 at 5:24 pm to cgrand
That’s interesting. Pick 23 is not all that bad. Philly has Embiid, Maxey, and Tobias at a minimum (plus Harden or whatever they trade him for), so I don’t see them having a worse season next year.
Is next year’s draft expected to be that much better than this year’s?
Is next year’s draft expected to be that much better than this year’s?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 5:25 pm to cgrand
Given the state of the Lakers, I assume we take the 2024 pick. I assume it will be lottery or better.
My general belief is that they will trade the 27 and 29 picks plus Westbrick for overpaid supporting players along the lines of Buddy Hield but, when the Lakers underachieve in 23, LeBron bolts and leaves them holding the bag.
My general belief is that they will trade the 27 and 29 picks plus Westbrick for overpaid supporting players along the lines of Buddy Hield but, when the Lakers underachieve in 23, LeBron bolts and leaves them holding the bag.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 8:26 pm to CP3forMVP
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I'd jump through hoops
just make sure the last hoop is off a bridge... that trade is TERRIBLE...
and the Lakers should be so lucky as to end up with Collins and Heurter...
Posted on 6/1/22 at 8:31 pm to cgrand
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the overwhelming likelihood is that the current roster(-snell+#8) will be the roster on opening night
good, b/c that lineup, especially with a healthy Zion, is likely a top 5 team in the West
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