re: 30 trades for 30 teams

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He's a power forward that I don't know where he could get minutes

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You think Jax is getting minutes?
I'd rather Trey play the 4 than Jax, and Nance is going to backup JV.

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what exactly would he bring to this team over Jax

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what exactly does Jax bring to the team? As i said before, he's elite at running the floor off rebounds, but he doesn't always feel like doing that. His defense is still terrible, and he's a low iq player that is a terrible rebounder for his size.

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And he's actually older than Jax.

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Jax will be 22 in a few days. Reed will be 23 in June.
Paul Reed makes $1.7M. Jax makes $6.8M.


Jaxson doesn't have the attitude or IQ that we are looking for. Paul Reed has the attitude and IQ that we are looking to add.

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A trade I like depending on how the draft board shakes out

Pels get #16 (Sochan, Daniels, Dieng here) and Huerter

Hawks get #12 (Duren, J. Williams make sense here), Dort, and Hayes

OKC gets #8 (Mathurin) and Graham

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The likelihood of pulling off a 3-way on draft night is crazy.

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Why is that? You get a knock down shooter with length in Huerter who can spot start when needed. You get a developmentally guy in Dieng which is fine because you don't need to rush him.

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Like most everyone on this board I like Huerter and his fit on this team, but I have more belief than others in the internal growth for shooting on this team. Because of that, I don’t view shooting as much as a priority (though still a big priority) as most do. Also, Huerter signing his recent extension really limits our flexibility and, although he would be a definite upgrade over Graham, I don’t see him being a piece that pushes us that much further in the playoffs.

But really what it comes down to is the prospect. Specifically in the given scenario, I think Mathurin is a much better prospect than Dieng and I would rather him on this team especially at a time when getting cheap talent is going to get harder for us soon. If you could even guarantee me Sochan or Daniels is there at 16, it’s a no brained for me, but not Dieng.

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Technically, that deal could be done pre-draft and finalized post draft. Again, all depends on how the draft shakes out really.

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Would be finalized pre-draft if it were dependent on how the draft shakes out. With 2 teams, that is fine, with 3 nearly impossible. Why would the other 2 commit to the players the 3rd team wanted only for that 3rd player not to be there and then mess up the whole deal?

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I would too. But do you think he's going to go from 20 mpg to zero? He was in the starting lineup for 20 or so games to close the year. You think Paul Reed is going to go from 8 mpg to being a contributor?

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I think people are misconstruing this argument for Reed. The idea isn’t to take Jax’s minutes and role and give them to Reed. It’s that this team might better next year giving Jax’s role and minutes and splitting them up between Nance, Trey, and some of Reed. If that’s the case, specifically with giving Nance and Trey his time, then Jax becomes somewhat superfluous. Now obviously we all agree that Jax is immensely talented and the best case scenario is that he turns the corner and takes the next step. But I can see rational disagreement on that.

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Paul Reed's attitude or IQ

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I won’t comment too much on this as a self-admitted Reed Stan, but people should know that a big reason he fell in the draft was because he basically quit on his team his last year in college. He also has had spurts where he fouls a ton in the first year that he plays a step-up in competition. A high foul rate is normally a good indicator of BBIQ, but I will say he seems to adjust and improve the next year.

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Well I was disagreeing with the notion that Reed is useless, not necessarily saying I would take that trade.

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Got ya.

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But this isn’t just a Reed vs Jax scenario. This is a Reed and Kormaz production at their price vs paying Jax scenario.

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Fair enough. I just think we are in a good situation with Jax. If he takes it to another level (I'm not talking star level, just a step up), your trade value has increased or you know what you have and decide what the price is. If he plays well next to Zion (which is why you drafted him in the 1st place) as a great rim runner, than it might be worth paying him. If he stays the same, then you don't.

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But I do think in a lot of ways Korkmaz and Reed are a better fit on this team than Jax. As to only Reed, with Val and Zion as our bigs, I would rather a more defensive minded backup. I just don’t personally see Jax ever being a good enough defender or rebounder to be able to anchor a defense at the 5 or switchable on the wing.

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I honestly just don't want Korkmaz. Simple as that. I don't want a shooting guard that can't shoot.

Do you think Reed could anchor a 2nd unit defense? He would most likely be playing next to Nance right? If he is a great defender than that is nice, but I dont think he could ever play with Zion or Val. So then you're hurting your scoring with your second team. Although I think the minutes are going to be crazy staggered, one of our four top scorers will be with the second team at all times.

I also dont ever see Jaxson being an elite defender. But he is good at protecting the rim and not as bad overall as people say. But his rebounding is big negative. He has to get better at that but it's hard to see him getting better at it if I'm being honest.

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So it comes down to believing I have a better chance of teaching Reed how to shoot than Jax how to defend, and how much I am willing to pay each for their production.

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Maybe. But I think it should be a mix of both. Why do you think Reed hasnt really earned minutes in Philly? I can't give an accurate assumption of that.

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I would too. But do you think he's going to go from 20 mpg to zero? He was in the starting lineup for 20 or so games to close the year. You think Paul Reed is going to go from 8 mpg to being a contributor?

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well, Jaxson went form 20mpg in the regular season to 13mpg in the playoffs. Paul Reed went from 8mpg in the regular season to 12mpg in the playoffs, and was praised by his coach throughout the playoffs and was the reason Deandre Jordan only played in 2 of the 12 playoff games.

Search recent news on Paul Reed and Jaxson Hayes.
One guy is getting praise right and left, while the other is pretty much a foregone conclusion to not be with the team past the trade deadline if not sooner.

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Also, that doesn't answer the question of what Paul Reed would bring over Jax "Hey let me not answer your question with a question"

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b/c i answered the question previously.
hustle and high iq, on top of the fact that all of the PER36 numbers are superior to Jaxson's. He's actually a good rebounder, and not an idiot who fouls every guy that drives to the goal.

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O stfu, Jaxson attitude is not a detriment to the team and you have no idea about Paul Reed's attitude or IQ. Dont try to act like you know about the attitude and IQ of a guy that plays 8 mpg for the 76ers

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I know who Jaxson is, and i know he doesn't work hard b/c if he did he'd be better by now. I also see him being a lazy arse on the court all the time, despite the fact that his only skill is his elite speed running the floor. And don't tell me he even has average bball IQ. If Jaxson would hustle all the time, then he'd have a much better chance at actually making some money on a 2nd contract. But with how he plays now, he's getting a 2/$10M at best.

I haven't watched Paul Reed, other than the playoffs, but his coach praised his work ethic and IQ after the season. It's not hard to find articles praising Paul Reed. Good luck finding anything other than Jaxson will be traded and he's not a priority to sign an extension.

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Why do you think Reed hasnt really earned minutes in Philly? I can't give an accurate assumption of that.

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Because they had Embiid, Drummond, and Deandre Jordan for large parts of the season. When your coach is Doc Rivers, he’s going to play those guys instead. Reed started getting some run near the end and got all of the backup 5 minutes in the playoffs, which was about 12min a game because they have Embiid. Funny enough, Doc still started Jordan over Reed for the 2 games Embiid missed.

Reed was G-League MVP (which doesn’t necessarily mean much when you look at past winners), but it’s not like he can’t play. Like I said, he definitely has a fouling problem but he’s a relentless defender and good rebounder.

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He was in the negative on +/- in half the games

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When you are exclusively subbing in for Joel Embiid, +/- isn’t the best metric to use to gauge impact

It just depends on the guy and the situation. It is a good way to gauge the value a specific player has for that specific team. Sometimes it tells you how good that player is, but other times it just shows how flawed the roster is around the player.

For example: two years ago, Derick Favors was the best player on the team from a +/- standpoint. If you just looked at that stat, you’d think he was awesome that year. In reality, he was just okay and we had crap at the backup 5, playing rookie Jaxson and Jahlil Okafor. You could also do the same with the first half of this year. We were so much better with Graham on the floor, but it had much more to do with how bad the backup pg position was to start the year.